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Old 07-25-2015, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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The eco-freak, wolf-hugging, anti-everything traditional wingnuts can leave at any time.
I prefer to be called an eyebolt, myself.
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Old 07-25-2015, 10:36 PM
 
Location: LA County
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You may find that many folks in Montana are more like conservative libertarians but however the governor is a Democrat. I'm fairly conservative in a liberal town in western Montana and I know what you mean. I wish I was surrounded by more conservatives. The people in our town elected a blind lesbian for mayor. As soon as my house sells I'm heading east of the divide. Kalispell is pretty conservative
Why would ideology of neighbors affect your life? Just curious of why and how
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Old 07-26-2015, 01:39 AM
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Location: Denver, Colorado
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I'm a conservative gentleman who wants to escape the big city, buy myself a piece of rural land, and live among other fellow conservatives.

No offense to liberals when writing this, but after several years of living among the hard left crowd in Santa Monica, I simply want to put down roots more in tune with a place John Wayne would be proud to live rather than a place the likes of Michael Moore is likely to disparage.

The reason I ask if Montana is a good place for conservatives is that from what I am reading in these threads, it seems that many Montana residents writing in this forum mention that a lot of liberals are trying to move in & change their way of life.

If Montana is conservative friendly, what cities should I consider?
I'm a conservative and found Montanans very receptive of my views. In fact, I met quite a few Montanans, like Idahoans who were a bit hostile to liberal ideas. Especially when you want to impose regulations that affect their daily lives.

However, some many perceive Montana as a liberal state based on its more resort towns and of course, it's liberal hippie college town, Missoula. Yes, these towns will have more liberals and some can be of the polarizing, anti-conservative breed. However, they don't seem to have the kind of muscle or overbearing influence that they do in places like Seattle or Portland.

I found the liberals in downtown Boise area to be much more polarizing and condescending than the liberals I met in Montana, overall. The liberals in Montana towns reminded me more of the hippies I grew up with living in Eugene, Oregon. I consider them more of hippie/redneck hybrids who are liberal in some ways, but fairly conservative in many others.
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Old 07-26-2015, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Where the mountains touch the sky
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Why would ideology of neighbors affect your life? Just curious of why and how

You do realize the post you replied to is from August 1, 2007 right?

Rickers hasn't posted here in several years unfortunately, but I doubt asking a question about an 8 year old post will bring him back.
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Old 07-26-2015, 02:49 PM
 
Location: 406
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Not at all.

We need more solidly pro-American conservative influx to hold onto Montana values and traditions.
As social conservative culture continues its descension, especially amonst the young and educated, in Montana and elsewhere, clusters of ideological migrants into the state (replacing people who are pushed out due mostly to unfavorable economic conditions, mind you) will be essential to make Montana the way you want it and to keep it that way--don't win minds and make sensible changes--just change the people. Gotcha.

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There are too many wingnuts here already, which is why we have a democrat governor etc. etc. etc.
Montana has had liberal Democratic governors, legislatures and congressional delegations for the vast majority of its statehood. A sane Democratic governor in Montana is nothing new; why are you so skiddish about this fact? Is it, like, an identity thing?

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The eco-freak, wolf-hugging, anti-everything traditional wingnuts can leave at any time.
Uhh, "anti-everything traditional"?

We're still talking about "Montana values and traditions," right?

This must be a reference to things like Wilsonian progressivism, the IWW, prairie socialism, corporatism, anti-capitalism, cultural genocide, Burton Wheeler, Jeanette Rankin, Thomas Walsh, Joseph Dixon, Mike Mansfield, mob-mentality/direct democracy, collectivism, anti-business environmentalism, litigation, corruption, federal government dependence...that kind of stuff?

And while it's an interesting idea for all of us degenerate libruhls to take our skills and educations to places where we can make a fair living, well, WTF, in the end we'd just be helping to subsidize Montana with our income per federal tax codes...we can't win.

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Old 07-26-2015, 02:53 PM
 
Location: 406
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Why would ideology of neighbors affect your life? Just curious of why and how
Well, for the Montana socialists and progressives who morphed into Montana Republicans/conservatives/"libertarians" post-1950s, there remains a strong herd mentality and preference for conformity amongst community members (the whole of Montana being the community). It's not my experience that Montanans in general are like this, although someone who doesn't know any better could easily get that impression from reading the Montana forum threads.
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Old 07-26-2015, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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Why would ideology of neighbors affect your life? Just curious of why and how
Say you run a stockyard. The person who buys the place next door is a vegan, or even just a modern yuppie who thinks they shouldn't have to smell your cows that have been there for decades. They make your life hell til you give up your business. Or they get regulations enacted that functionally prohibit your business, so you're run out.

This isn't hypothetical. It's been happening all over, as business and industry that actually make a product become second class citizens in the courts and under the law. It's happened to businesses and individuals I knew personally. And it happened to me.

But I think certain folks are here mostly to argue and feel superior about it, not to understand why some of us regard having our livelihoods taken away as a real problem.
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Old 07-26-2015, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Where the mountains touch the sky
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As social conservative culture continues its descension, especially amonst the young and educated, in Montana and elsewhere, clusters of ideological migrants into the state (replacing people who are pushed out due mostly to unfavorable economic conditions, mind you) will be essential to make Montana the way you want it and to keep it that way--don't win minds and make sensible changes--just change the people. Gotcha.



Montana has had liberal Democratic governors, legislatures and congressional delegations for the vast majority of its statehood. A sane Democratic governor in Montana is nothing new; why are you so skiddish about this fact? Is it, like, an identity thing?



Uhh, "anti-everything traditional"?

We're still talking about "Montana values and traditions," right?

This must be a reference to things like Wilsonian progressivism, the IWW, prairie socialism, corporatism, anti-capitalism, cultural genocide, Burton Wheeler, Jeanette Rankin, Thomas Walsh, Joseph Dixon, Mike Mansfield, mob-mentality/direct democracy, collectivism, anti-business environmentalism, litigation, corruption, federal government dependence...that kind of stuff?

And while it's an interesting idea for all of us degenerate libruhls to take our skills and educations to places where we can make a fair living, well, WTF, in the end we'd just be helping to subsidize Montana with our income per federal tax codes...we can't win.
My deepest apologies Comrade Commissar! It is inexcusable that I forgot that having an opinion and voicing it are strictly forbidden by the central committee!!

I'll make sure to remember that only the opinions as approved by the DNC can be spoken by the proletariat!!

I think you just proved that it isn't the conservatives that want to control the thoughts of the people.

I have no problem with folks that want to move here, I do have problems with people that want to destroy the very thing that they moved here to find, which by the way includes the culture and heritage of the state.

Even in the darkest days of our history when the legislature was controlled by the miners unions out of Butte, the people still had morals and a pride in this state. We could still all enjoy the great things this state has to offer, but now you need a party card from the Sierra Club or such if you want to use a lot of the resources held "for the people" like the forest service. Back then, we could have a great job working to keep the forests in good shape through managed logging, now thanks to your side, the only thing we can do is have a job fighting fires.
The modern party has moved away from the attitudes of the 50s and 60's like making good jobs from what we have to work with, and is all about destruction of traditional values, which is a real shame.

You've stated on numerous occasions the very anti-party sentiment of focusing on wealth, a very bourgeoisie attitude I must say, you may want to be careful of that as it could get you thrown out of the party. Those unfavorable economic conditions you spoke of have been created by the very party you laud.

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Old 07-26-2015, 06:28 PM
 
Location: 406
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My deepest apologies Comrade Commissar! It is inexcusable that I forgot that having an opinion and voicing it are strictly forbidden by the central committee!!

I'll make sure to remember that only the opinions as approved by the DNC can be spoken by the proletariat!!

I think you just proved that it isn't the conservatives that want to control the thoughts of the people.

I have no problem with folks that want to move here, I do have problems with people that want to destroy the very thing that they moved here to find, which by the way includes the culture and heritage of the state.

Even in the darkest days of our history when the legislature was controlled by the miners unions out of Butte, the people still had morals and a pride in this state. We could still all enjoy the great things this state has to offer, but now you need a party card from the Sierra Club or such if you want to use a lot of the resources held "for the people" like the forest service. Back then, we could have a great job working to keep the forests in good shape through managed logging, now thanks to your side, the only thing we can do is have a job fighting fires.
The modern party has moved away from the attitudes of the 50s and 60's like making good jobs from what we have to work with, and is all about destruction of traditional values, which is a real shame.

You've stated on numerous occasions the very anti-party sentiment of focusing on wealth, a very bourgeoisie attitude I must say, you may want to be careful of that as it could get you thrown out of the party. Those unfavorable economic conditions you spoke of have been created by the very party you laud.
Oh, Silvertip...another day, another hysterical venture in missing the point. I hope it never gets old...I mean, how could it? Think about most of your forum peers cheering you on, even when you lose...

Meanwhile, you've still yet to learn the dynamics of a debate. Ad-hominems aren't good style. You pretty much lost me at your fifth sentence.

Now, you aren't supposed to offer arguments or accusations based on claims that were never made or ideas and motives that were never implied...you know, as in, stuff that never happened. I can only conclude that you're making things up because you want (need) the satisfaction of winning. Having seen your tendencies toward immaturity and emotionalism many times at this juncture, I can't be surprised.

But, still, you're cheating. If you'd like to try an honest, intelligent, grown-up approach to this discussion, I'm happy to engage. Until then, go visit on the porch.
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Old 07-26-2015, 06:33 PM
 
Location: 406
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But I think certain folks are here mostly to argue and feel superior about it, not to understand why some of us regard having our livelihoods taken away as a real problem.
Reziac, there's no need for passive-aggression. It's so, so ugly.

Sincerely, if you have something you need to say to me, then just say it. I mean, I'm sure you've never said it before...and I'm sure I didn't laugh or roll my eyes.
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