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Old 10-15-2012, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
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Well the belief it is a nice place us spreading and it is attracting new residents. Perhaps it is to time to make a don't move to Montana campaign. Focus on the negatives.
That has been done, right here on City-Data, for a number of years.
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Old 10-15-2012, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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With all of the comlaints regarding Montana's economy, doesn't it seem counter-productive to discourage people from moving in? Take my example. I'd be coming with a pension from another state. That's a direct injection of money into the local economy which would not have been present had an 'outsider' not moved in.
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Old 10-15-2012, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Back at home in western Washington!
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2 lines of thought toward that...

1. Most folks talking about coming to MT don't have an income already. They want to move here, get a job, live off the land, homestead , raise their children where there is no crime and it's next-to-free to live... Too many people don't have a true view of what living in MT is like.

2. You have a pension. You move here. You realize your pension isn't enough to live on due to the high cost of just about everything. You get a job. You've now become nothing more than another outsider who moved here and took one of the jobs someone struggling to raise their kids could have had. Mayhaps it wouldn't happen like that, but we've seen it too many times already to believe it...
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Old 10-15-2012, 09:53 AM
 
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That has been done, right here on City-Data, for a number of years.
Take it national. A Montana sucks campain where you flood TV networks with bow terrible Montana is and how its beauty is overrated. Air it in states most Transplants come from.
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Old 10-15-2012, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
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With all of the comlaints regarding Montana's economy, doesn't it seem counter-productive to discourage people from moving in? Take my example. I'd be coming with a pension from another state. That's a direct injection of money into the local economy which would not have been present had an 'outsider' not moved in.
First, let me say that I think you would be a good fit.

But, your question, or comment. Several business's in Montana have had to shut down because they can't get workers. That is in areas were there is a lot of money moving in and they don't need to work. Or they build a "Summer Home" and really contribute nothing to Montana.

There is a whole chain of events that make a community, a community. 1, you have to have fresh money. 2, you have to have jobs. 3, you have to have people to fill those jobs. 4, you have to produce something to be sold, outside of that community. If you get too much of any one thing and another thing suffers, it breaks the chain.

A lot of folks have to work two jobs, or at least both spouses have to work. I will admit that there is a sense of entitlement these days. We must drive cars that are 3 years old or newer. Our kids must wear $200 tennis shoes and have a different pair for school gym class. We must have the best insurance plan that money can buy. And none of that is figured into making a living anymore. It used to be that you got a pay check and you went out and found your own insurance and then you paid for it. Now days people throw a holly fit because they have to pay 20% of a doctor visit but yet the company they worked for furnished the insurance.

I have seen people on here, throw a fit due to the McMansions being build it a particular area. But the rancher/farmer that sold that land isn't throwing a fit. He didn't have any problem signing that deed when a check was presented to him.

The big question I would ask somebody is, "What do you bring to the community?" Fitting in to a community is not simply moving there and buying grocerys at the local grocery store. There is a whole lot more to it.
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Old 10-15-2012, 10:32 AM
 
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Take it national. A Montana sucks campain where you flood TV networks with bow terrible Montana is and how its beauty is overrated. Air it in states most Transplants come from.
But that's not the truth. Montana is not terrible & its beauty is not overrated.
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Old 10-15-2012, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Northern MN
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While others have been researching the area they think they will want to live in for years.
For us your winters will be no problem as we are use to harsh winters and short summers.
We are avid back country skiers, hunt, fish, 4wheel, rock climb, mtn bike.
What we bring is, new money, new home building, this puts Montanans to work.
We will be buying products localy, supporting Montanans.
All this is good for the economy.
In 90 days we also will be considered Montanans as far as the state is concerned.

You can't take a job away from anyone if they are doing a good job.

My wife can bring her work with her as long as we have cellphone and internet access and My kennel can be located anywhere also, I'll also try my hand at moving my landscaping and snow removal business but I think that will be slow. But if it is received well I could end up hiring a couple of people.

We are in our 50's and our retirement will be sufficient to carry us to the old folks home.

I'm sure many move with out doing their homework, and cause problems real and preconceived.

ps our MN home will be our 2nd home as we can afford to keep both.
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Old 10-15-2012, 11:14 AM
 
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But that's not the truth. Montana is not terrible & its beauty is not overrated.
The point is to scare people away. Telling the truth will attract people.
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Old 10-15-2012, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Back at home in western Washington!
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[quote=snofarmer;26518123]In 90 days we also will be considered Montanans as far as the state is concerned.[quote]

6 months...not 3. You have to have proof of residency for 6 months before you can buy a resident hunting license. Until then, you are buying the "out of state" one.
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Old 10-15-2012, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Where the mountains touch the sky
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cry_havoc,

You should speak to Threerun, he is our resident expert on West Virginia, He moved here from there about a year and a half ago.

Personally, I have nothing against the areas you mentioned in the Applachains, very different from here, but the land looks nice, I hear the deer hunting is great, I have nothing against the people, but I think the reason that some folks would choose Montana over West Virginia is location.

WV is just too close to DC and the associated weirdness there. Nothing wrong with WV, but probably a guilt by association kind of thing

Some of the people coming here want a simpler, more rural lifestyle, less traffic, not as many cops looking over your shoulder, fewer regulations, a chance to have the time to enjoy family instead of texting each other on their cell phones.

That is accurate for most of the state, and people tend to only see what what they want to. We do have lots of natural beauty, low population, good schools, roads where you may only see one or 2 other cars in an hours travel, and for the most part, a slower pace of life.

The negatives, low pay, few jobs, horrendous weather, lack of amenities are usually overlooked until the starry eyed newcomer is actually here and trying to live. Then after one winter, they pack up and leave again. It's a cycle that happens every year.

No matter how much the locals try to tell folks it isn't a walk in the park to live here, they are dismissed as trying to keep it to themselves and selfishly keep others out.

The other group, the very wealthy who only have a mcmansion they visit for 2 weeks in the summer and a week over Christmas, don't care.
To them it is basically a time share where they can vacation and then brag at the office about for the rest of the year.

Good hard working folks that actually want to make a life for themselves here, become part of the community, help their neighbors, mind their own business and comport themselves in an ethical manner without trying to destroy what is already here but become part of it are usually welcomed.
We can always use more good people

Problem is, we can't screen like a job application, anybody who wants to can come here, so there is always the chance of someones tender sensibilities getting hurt on either side and then the charges and counter charges fly, and the locals end up having the reputation of forcing out newcomers.

I would be happy to send those guys your way

The main problem is that the state is beautiful, (most of the time), there are countless tv shows and movies glamorizing it, Books and songs are written about it, (usually a romantizied depection), and folks wanting a better life will always be willing to move somewhere they think is the answer to their dreams no matter what anybody else says.

There already exists a grass roots kind of campaign to dissuade new people from coming here, these boards for example, or the bumper stickers proclaiming, "Welcome to Montana! Now take a wolf and go home" seem to have limited impact.

The state government will NEVER try to tell potential taxpayers to stay away, so a multi state campaign like you indicated would never come from official sources.

Our only hope is that we can get the good folks to come here, and the weather keeping the less desirable out.

My Uncle moved to Kenntucky several years ago, and if the situation gets to bad here, I may do the same thing myself! The road leads both ways you know
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