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Old 09-21-2011, 01:57 PM
 
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If I can sidetrack this thread a little bit, I'm curious about the legislative atmosphere in Montana regarding smoking in public places. I know smoking is not allowed in any hotel or motel in Montana, and I assume it isn't allowed in any eating establishment, but do many cities prohibit smoking in parks or other recreational areas? What about bars and casinos?

 
Old 09-21-2011, 02:01 PM
 
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Over-dramatize much?
All the time!
 
Old 09-21-2011, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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As a former smoker, it is my opinion that there is an ingrained need in a majority of the human population to discriminate against SOMEBODY.
Smokers are the currently allowed (if not encouraged) people to discriminate against.
I find it absolutely hilarious that the STATE keeps adding taxes to tobacco products to pay for Children's Health Care, or whatever the current cause celebre is, while at the same time spending MILLIONS of dollars on anti-tobacco campaigns!
What is even more hilarious are the people who seem to think this dichotomy is not only perfectly all right, it is justified "for the good of society"!
Apparently, they don't realize that as the number of users decreases, so to will the payments from the "Tobacco Settlement Fund"! (you remember THAT lawsuit, I'm sure, where the stupid people said they "didn't know that cigarettes were harmful", even though they had been called "cancer sticks" and "coffin nails" since at least the 1940s, if not further back than that!)
I quit when the voters of this state, in their infinite wisdom, put a $1 per pack tax on cigarettes to pay for "the Children's Health Insurance Program"! "It's for THE POOR CHILDREN", who could possibly vote AGAINST it?
I could, and did.
Then I used what I had on hand, and quit. The State hasn't made a dime off of me since in tobacco taxes!
As for the atmosphere against smokers in this state, smoking is not allowed in ANY public building, period. Even if the building owner is a smoker, he/she can not smoke in his own building, if it is open to the public. There are even businesses in this state which have tried to extend their anti-smoking policies to the sidewalks which go by their establishments. Most smokers ignore such bans.
Personally, I wish the "ANTIs" would either begin a push to have the legislature ban the purchase, sale, growing, using, or owning tobacco in any form anywhere in the state.
Either that, or just SHUT UP!
 
Old 09-21-2011, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Haymarket, Va
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Well you did quit. Apparently your work taught you that a slow, painful death from cancer wasn't going to be as much fun as you thought it would be when you started smoking. I have to wonder if patients were really comforted getting a hug from someone who reeked of tobacco, though.
I actually didn't smoke when I was at work, but thanks for wondering. FYI non-smokers also die slow, painful deaths from cancer.
 
Old 09-21-2011, 10:12 PM
 
Location: 112 Ocean Avenue
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There's something very very strange about Montana. Reading comments here always gives me the heebie jeebies.
 
Old 09-21-2011, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Brawndo-Thirst-Mutilator-Nation
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A truly filthy habit, most sane people who do not smoke are very loathe to be around such a nasty habit.
 
Old 09-21-2011, 11:09 PM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
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If I can sidetrack this thread a little bit, I'm curious about the legislative atmosphere in Montana regarding smoking in public places. I know smoking is not allowed in any hotel or motel in Montana, and I assume it isn't allowed in any eating establishment, but do many cities prohibit smoking in parks or other recreational areas? What about bars and casinos?
Nobody seemed to answer your question so I did a little research and found this text. It's the best "straight talk description" I could find that didn't try and legaleeze everything.

MONTANA STATEWIDE SMOKING BAN GOES INTO EFFECT OCT 1, 2005

Montana News Association [09/21/05]


Smoking will be banned on all school property and in almost all other enclosed public places when the Montana Clean Indoor Air Act goes into effect Oct. 1.

The act was approved by the 2005 Legislature and signed into law in April by Gov. Brian Schweitzer, making Montana the 10th state in the nation to prohibit smoking in public places statewide.

"This law will protect Montana citizens from the harmful effects of secondhand tobacco smoke," said Joan Miles, director of the state Department of Public Health and Human Services (DPHHS). "Since studies have found that breathing secondhand smoke can cause heart disease, stroke, respiratory disease, and lung cancer, Oct. 1 will be a banner day for Montana and for public health."

Under the new law, Montanans cannot smoke or use spit tobacco in public schools or on public school property, including playgrounds, parking lots, administration buildings, athletic facilities, school buses, and dormitories. The law applies to community colleges and the state university system as well as to elementary and secondary schools.

Smoking is also banned in any indoor area, room, or vehicle that the general public is allowed to enter or that serves as a place of work, including:

* Restaurants;
* Stores;
* Public and private office buildings;
* Trains, buses, and other forms of public transportation;
* Health-care facilities;
* Auditoriums, arenas, meeting rooms, and other assembly facilities;
* Family or group day-care homes; and
* Adult foster care homes.

Managers or proprietors of enclosed public places are required to post conspicuous signs at all entrances indicating that smoking is prohibited.

Bars can apply for an exception that would allow their employees and patrons to continue smoking until Sept. 30, 2009, as long as smoke from the bar does not infiltrate areas where smoking is prohibited. A bar is defined as an establishment licensed to serve alcoholic beverages, where at least 60 percent of the establishment's revenue comes from liquor sales or gambling operations. This may include taverns, nightclubs, cocktail lounges, and casinos.

Individuals under 18 years old cannot patronize or work in any area of an establishment where smoking is permitted.

Hotels may continue to offer up to 35 percent of their rooms as smoking rooms as long as the smoke doesn't infiltrate common areas.

Anyone who uses tobacco where it is prohibited may be found guilty of a misdemeanor and punished by a fine of $25 to $100.

Anyone who owns, manages, operates, or otherwise controls a public place to which the law applies and who fails to comply with it may also be found guilty of a misdemeanor. The law stipulates that the person will get a warning for the first violation, a written reprimand for the second, and a fine of $100 for the third violation in a three-year-period. Additional violations are punishable by larger fines.

Hope that answers your question.
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Old 09-22-2011, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Bozeman, Montana
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Web MD has a good article on the cancer and other disease causing toxins from third-hand smoke, the residue that settles on objects and mixes with chemicals in the air and surfaces.

Risks of Thirdhand Cigarette Smoke Can Linger

Any non-smoker can tell you that smokers' clothing, hair, car interiors, homes, etc., smell very strongly from the smoke that clings to it.

Parents who smoke should be aware that even if they go outside, the toxic chemicals on their clothing are going to expose their babies and children, especially when they hold the youngsters, to chemicals that are even more toxic than the smoke. The particles are so small, they settle deep inside the lungs.

To quote from the link above at Web MD,
'“Nicotine can come back off of that surface to react with ozone,” says Pankow, “It forms particles.”

Those particles, known as secondary organic aerosols, are so small that they may be inhaled deeply into the lungs, where they are hard for the body to clear."

Tobacco smoke also mixes with gases coming from pilot lights, gas stoves, and also cleaning product fumes to create carcinogens called tobacco-specific nitrosamines.

You don't even have to be in the same space with a tobacco smoker to be breathing in chemicals that harm your health created by tobacco smoke, if those smoke particles have covered the surfaces where you are.
 
Old 09-22-2011, 10:44 AM
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..... I find it hard to classify myself as "one of the lowest forms of life on earth" being that I'm an oncology nurse. So while I'm hugging and wiping the tears of a 17 year old boy asking me "why him", "why does he have to die" maybe you should get off your high horse.
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Well you did quit. Apparently your work taught you that a slow, painful death from cancer wasn't going to be as much fun as you thought it would be when you started smoking. I have to wonder if patients were really comforted getting a hug from someone who reeked of tobacco, though.
Personally, I used to smoke, but quit for my own reasons. Professionally, I still counsel patients on the dangers of smoking, but avoid a self-righteous posture of making their decision for them.

In terms of the insensitive comments on this thread, many years ago I had the privilege of accompanying oncology and home health Nurses on late night visits to terminal patients. While your scrubs may "reek" of many things, including emesis from chemotherapeutic agents, I have never seen a dying patient refuse a compassionate hug from a caregiver.

A strong desire to promote nonsmoking is not an excuse to insult Nurses that deserve our respect.
 
Old 09-22-2011, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
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I've went back and reviewed this thread and the op isn't really getting any answers. Some users are using this as a bashing thread and are completely out of line with their posts. Some posts have been thoughtful and carefully written.

As such, I'm closing the thread. We don't need an opportunity to bash others. That's not what City Data, or the people of Montana are about.
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