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Old 12-20-2011, 12:13 PM
 
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Old 12-21-2011, 08:26 AM
 
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i don't currently live in montana, but we have lived in north dakota for 2 years. i had some of the same questions you did before we moved there 2 years ago!

1. kids and carseats: in the spring and fall the kids where fleece jackets or other types of thin coats. in the middle of winter they wear coats that have zip out fleece liners (we got our's at walmart this year for $25). we leave the outside layer of the coat open and buckle them into their carseats with the straps over the inside fleece layer, pull the outside layer through the straps (but it's still on their arms), and zip it up over the straps. you get a tighter fit that way and it doesn't feel like you're stuffing them into the seat. we also keep blankets in the car for them for before the car warms up. when it's crazy cold i also use the blankets to get them to and from the car and store.

2. for just being around town and running errands i dress them in layers. they each have a pair of fleece lined jeans, they wear 2 pairs of socks, tshirt, long sleeved tshirt, and hoodie or fleece of some sort under their coats. they also wear hats, mittens, and boots. i try to get their boots after christmas when they're all on sale but guessing their shoe size for the following year can be tricky. we've had all kinds of boots--target, walmart, scheels and they all seem to be about the same.

3. when we're going to be outside for a longer period of time they wear snow pants over everything i mentioned above, along with a scarf over their faces.

i hope that helps!
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Old 12-21-2011, 08:38 AM
 
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Does Bozeman get as "crazy cold" as North Dakota? We were in Minot, but I missed out on Winter.

Your response is exactly what I was looking for, and your technique with the kiddos in the carseat is genius. Now, where to find fleece lined jeans....

Thanks for your help.
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Old 12-21-2011, 08:50 AM
 
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Does Bozeman get as "crazy cold" as North Dakota? We were in Minot, but I missed out on Winter.

Your response is exactly what I was looking for, and your technique with the kiddos in the carseat is genius. Now, where to find fleece lined jeans....

Thanks for your help.
happy to help! i worried about the same things before we moved from southern missouri to minot.

i got fleece lined jeans from old navy. they should be on sale right now!

i'm not sure how cold it gets in bozeman but i'm sure one of the locals on here can tell you that.

good luck with your move!
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Old 12-21-2011, 09:05 AM
 
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i don't currently live in montana, but we have lived in north dakota for 2 years. i had some of the same questions you did before we moved there 2 years ago!

1. kids and carseats: in the spring and fall the kids where fleece jackets or other types of thin coats. in the middle of winter they wear coats that have zip out fleece liners (we got our's at walmart this year for $25). we leave the outside layer of the coat open and buckle them into their carseats with the straps over the inside fleece layer, pull the outside layer through the straps (but it's still on their arms), and zip it up over the straps. you get a tighter fit that way and it doesn't feel like you're stuffing them into the seat. we also keep blankets in the car for them for before the car warms up. when it's crazy cold i also use the blankets to get them to and from the car and store.
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i hope that helps!
I don't want to be a negative nilly, but when I read this it kind of scared me a little and I'm not sure if it needs to be a concern. I'm not sure how emergency responders are trained. If there is an accident, do they cut the car seat loose or do they go after just the child? The reason I ask is that we never intend to have an accident, but then again we can't drive everybody's vehicle for them. But if there was an accident, would the belts being covered, hamper rescue efforts if the responders couldn't see the belt?

I don't know, maybe there are some first responders on here that can answer that.

I always took lots of blankets to put on them once they were in the seat. Winter is a tough time, heck, I have a hard time getting my seatbelt on when I'm "winterized". hahaha
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Old 12-21-2011, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Bozeman, Montana
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We do get below zero temperatures in Bozeman.
We get deep snow, but so far this year, we haven't had the first "big dump" of snow, but enough that everything is covered white right now.
We don't have as much wind as the plains, but do at times have the added wind chill.
When we get the "days at a time below zero" can come anytime from November through February.
It can dip below zero and stay there for a few days, but you never know when in the winter it is going to do that. December on average is the coldest month, but I always remember those below zero solid stretches as usually being in January or February.
The lowest recorded temperature in Bozeman, according to weather.com, was -43 in 1936.
The lowest recorded temperature in Minot, according to weather.com, was -36 in 1983.
But, as I said, we don't have as fierce wind as the plains get.

hope that helps,

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Old 12-21-2011, 10:22 AM
 
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I don't want to be a negative nilly, but when I read this it kind of scared me a little and I'm not sure if it needs to be a concern. I'm not sure how emergency responders are trained. If there is an accident, do they cut the car seat loose or do they go after just the child? The reason I ask is that we never intend to have an accident, but then again we can't drive everybody's vehicle for them. But if there was an accident, would the belts being covered, hamper rescue efforts if the responders couldn't see the belt?

I don't know, maybe there are some first responders on here that can answer that.

I always took lots of blankets to put on them once they were in the seat. Winter is a tough time, heck, I have a hard time getting my seatbelt on when I'm "winterized". hahaha
I was fire captain of a volunteer fire department for 12 years, we saw lots of accidents, some had kids in car seats, and it happened at any time of the year, day or night.

The first thing you look at when you come on a scene is to make sure the car is stable so it doesn't roll or slide while you work on it. Make sure it isn't on fire, or has an electrical line touching it. Keeping yourself and your crew safe is paramount because if you are injured you can't help the victims.

You evaluate the amount of damage, will you need to cut to get to the occupants? Usually a team is assigned to each of the occupants, it could be one firefighter per person or several depending on the situation and severity of the injuries.

If you have to cut, the first thing is to cut the battery cables to remove power. If the car has air bags that didn't deploy, having one go off while you are working stinks, so removing the power source removes the chance of further injury to the occupants, and to the firefighters. Those new electric and hybrids are a pain to work on because of this.

Put up your blocks and chocks and stabillize the car, protect the occupants from any glass or debris, and start opening up the car so they can be removed safely.

Once you can access the passengers, you evaulate their condition. C-spine support is paramount in a wreck to prevent further injury to the spine.
In the case of a car seat, you use the seat as a solid platform to remove the child much like using a backboard for an adult.
You cut the seatbelts where they hold the carseat to the car and remove the seat with the child still in it if possible to reduce the amount of movement to the childs body and avoid inflicting more injury.

Basically this is the same for forward or back facing seats.

Believe me, a good crew can reduce a car to a pile of parts in a very short amount of time. We carried tools to cut the seatbelts and the seatbelts were quick to cut, no real obstruction and cutting them where they were exposed, (ie: where the come out of the seat), was usually easiest and didn't require removing clothing or taking a chance on injuring the child through movement. We could remove the cut belts once the child was safely out of the car and in a more stable position.

Good question Elk
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Old 12-21-2011, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Bozeman, Montana
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I just took some photos of my deck and views from my yard to show you what Bozeman weather looks like today.

There was just a dusting of snow overnight, not as heavy as forecast, so what you see is some snow over the snow that has already accumulated from snow falls since this winter started. Rudolph and his mate live in my back yard year 'round.
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Old 12-21-2011, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
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Great, glad to hear it and to get feedback. When I first read that I though, OH no, you cover the seat belt, how are first responders going to react. But what you said made a lot of sense on keeping the child in the seat, and stable.

Thanks!
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Old 12-21-2011, 12:26 PM
 
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thanks to MTSilvertip for the great response! i didn't know the first responders' take on it, but i do know that buckling a child into a car seat with a ton of layers and a puffy coat isn't safe because the straps of the carseat can't be secured tightly enough on top of all that extra clothing. it's a pain for sure, especially when the wind is whipping through your open door while you zip and unzip an outer layer of coat and bundle with blankets, etc.

a lot of times i use a blanket over the kids in the car instead of zipping the outer layer of their coats over the straps of their carseats, to save time and because it's just plain cold. when we go on longer trips they don't wear their coats in the car at all--just the blankets that they can take off when the car warms up.
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