01-11-2012, 08:53 PM
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Bozeman or Helena
Hello all! This is my first post though I've been following the posts a bit. I'm a widowed mom of 3 looking to move away from the rat race so to speak. The town I live seems to be generally all about material items and botox and coming from a military background I just can't seem to fit in here or relate to people. I moved here to be close to family after my husband passed, but the time has come to leave. A friend of mine from Great Falls mentioned Montana might be a good fit. I've lived in snow, but I'm sure Montana weather will be a shock, though one I'm happy to deal with if it gets me to a place where I can raise my kids the way I want.
I'm a veteran applying for Federal jobs so am limited to a few areas including Helena, Bozeman, and West Glacier. Any thoughts on which of these places might work better for us? Is there any opportunity to buy a little land in these areas? I appreciate any info you can provide.
01-11-2012, 09:20 PM
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Scratch West Glacier
Just did a quick search to get an idea of housing prices and West Glacier is way out of my price range. So looks like just Bozeman or Helena.
01-11-2012, 09:29 PM
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Helena has the VAMC, in Fort Harrison. More services for vets here, and opportunities to work for state or fed employers. I think Helena is cheaper than Bozeman, which is quite pricey, due to the ski area, lots of folks buying in that area.
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01-12-2012, 08:15 AM
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Thanks for the info!
01-12-2012, 10:59 AM
Location: Bozeman, Montana
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Reading your needs, my first recommendation is Helena, too. Having Fort Harrison there, the cost of living of Helena lower than Bozeman, and the higher chance of getting a government job in Helena are the main reasons. I grew up in Helena. The schools are good, it has mountains, forests, lakes, and a fine community.
Living in town, you are close enough to get the kids to school and back for all their after-school activities, which becomes a real pain if you have to drive them from out of town, especially in the winter.
Having had the choice myself of living in a secluded, unpopulated area, and then living in town to raise a child, it's important to remember that the kids want to see their friends, want to participate in what kids in school and town are doing, and unless you have a working farm or ranch, your kids are going to be spending a lot of time in town with what is happening at school, sports, etc. You don't need your own land to hike, fish, hunt, etc.
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There has been plenty of residential sprawl into rural land over the last couple of decades, so you may be able to find a house and some acres on the market when you talk to Helena realtors.
Public land, trails, outdoor recreation, are all just minutes from any town in Montana. No need to buy land to have it.
Hope that helps.
H.I.
Bozeman
01-12-2012, 11:42 AM
Location: SW Montana
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And Helena has Canyon Ferry with all those delicious walleye!
Bozeman has a VA walk-in clinic.
01-12-2012, 12:36 PM
Location: Spots Wyoming
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Actually, there are severa VA clinics around Montana, but Helena being the only VA Hospital. Here's the list:
Veterans Administration
3687 Veterans Drive
P.O. Box 1500
Fort Harrison, MT 59636-1500
1-877-468-8387
Anaconda
VA Community Based Outpatient Clinic
118 E. 7th Street
Anaconda, MT 59711
Phone: 406-563-6090
Hours: 8:00am - 4:30pm
Billings
VA Community Based Outpatient Clinic
1775 Spring Creek Lane
Billings, Montana 59102
Hours: 8:00 am - 4:30 pm
FAX: 406-373-3520
Bozeman
VA Community Based Outpatient Clinic
300 N. Willson, Suite 703G
Bozeman, MT 59715
Phone: 406-582-5300
Hours: 8:00am - 4:30pm
Cutbank
VA Community Based Outpatient Clinic
Glacier Community Health Center
519 E. Main
Cut Bank, Montana 59427
(406) 873-9047
8 AM - 4:30 PM
Glascow
VA Community Based Outpatient Clinic
630 Second Street South, Suite A
Glasgow, MT 59230
Phone: 406-228-4101
Fax: 406-228-4104
Hours: 8:00 am - 4:30 pm
Glendive
VA Community Based Outpatient Clinic
2000 Montana Avenue
Glendive, MT 59330
Phone: 406-377-4755
8:00 AM - 4:30 PM
Great Falls
VA Community Based Outpatient Clinic
1417 9th Street South
Suite 200 and 300
Great Falls, MT 59405
Phone: 406-791-3200
Toll free: 877-468-8387
8:00am - 4:30pm
Havre
VA Community Based Outreach Clinic
130 13th Street, Suite 1
Havre, MT 59501
To schedule an appointment, call 1-877-468-8387.
To contact the clinic, call (406) 265-4304
Kalispell
VA Community Based Outpatient Clinic
Three Mile Professional BLDG
31 Three Mile Drive, STE 102
Kalispell, MT 59901
Phone: 406-758-2700
Hours: 8:00am - 4:30pm
Lewistown
VA Community Based Outpatient Clinic
629 NE Main, Suite 1
Lewistown, MT 59457
Phone: 406-535-4790
Hours: 8:00 am - 4:30 pm
Miles City
VA Community Based Outpatient Clinic and Community Living Center (CLC)
210 S. Winchester
Miles City, MT 59301
Main Phone: 406-874-5600
Clinic: 406-874-5675
Community Living Center: 406-874-5800
8:00am - 4:30pm
Missoula
VA Community Based Outpatient Clinic
2687 Palmer Street, Suite C
Missoula, MT 59808
406-829-5400 (Clerk/LPN)
8:00am - 4:30pm
01-12-2012, 03:16 PM
Location: Wyoming
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I can speak for Bozeman more since I have lived there, and if you do not like people being obsessed with material items that town is not going to be a good fit. It found it very pretentious, although not being a college student you won't have to face that discrimination. My ex is from Helena so I have a bad association with that town.
In all seriousness though, Helena doesn't seem so bad. From what I've observed, government seems to be the main employer in town. I'm sure a Helenan on this board can help you out much more than me.
01-13-2012, 07:49 AM
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Thanks H.I., I agree with the kids needing to be connected to friends, they keep me hopping here with their after school activities! I may have misled with my post about the land. My house right now doesn't have a yard, I live in a "historic" neighborhood which means that my outside area consists of a brick patio and my neighbors and I could probably pass eachother milk through our kitchen windows
By land, I just meant a good sized yard where the kids and dog could run around.
Helena is sounding like a good fit. I've been looking more into it, there is also a position in Billings and I'm looking into that as well. Any thoughts on Billings compared to Helena?
Thank you all for the input!
01-13-2012, 08:46 AM
Location: Bozeman, Montana
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Billings is larger than Helena, and the landscape is different. Billings is on the open plains, and Helena has forested mountain ranges around it.
Helena has a walkable downtown area, the historic Last Chance Gulch, and Billings has basically many high traffic "strip mall" streets.
I prefer the mountains and a smaller town than Billings, so I prefer Helena. Billings is booming, though, so there are more job opportunities there.
Have you looked at the photos and videos online showing both places?
Have you spent any time in Montana before?
Hope that helps.
HI
Bozeman
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