05-26-2012, 07:34 PM
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I have posted before but I am going to again and try and recapture what im looking for... I was raised in Pennsylvania and have been moving between there and Alabama for quite some time now... For many years though I have had this pull to Montana... I have never been off the east coast but from all that I have hear of it and seen in pictures and have fallen in love with the state... I am wanting to find a small ranching community... would like it to have ranches for miles to come as one day i would like to own a horse ranch... one of those communities that everyone knows you and knows everything about you lol... where everyone is like family and the neighbors are always there to help... I love the country and wide open spaces... It would be nice if it had like community/church gatherings or something... I would love for it to be in the bozeman area(can be a couple hours away)... would anyone happen to have any suggestions as to where i might find a town like this if there even is any in existance... please help
05-26-2012, 10:03 PM
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The first thing I will say on this, and I hate to burst your bubble, but Montana is not a state to move to on a whim. The wages are low and the cost of living in the beautiful parts of the state you see on the postcards and in movies like Legends of the Fall and A River Runs Through it are expensive. As far as owning a horse ranch, just make sure you do your homework beforehand. Most towns in Montana are the type where everybody knows everyone and there are generally the stereotypical small town values. Also consider that in many areas of Montana there is a dislike/distrust toward outsiders, especially those from "back east" which in some areas of the state means anyone outside of Montana. I hate to sound negative, but this is the reality.
05-27-2012, 10:34 AM
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Nothing different from rural PA. I bet you will do fine. Pay no mind to the doom and gloom. Good luck, and let us know how you are doing!
05-27-2012, 11:14 AM
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Glad to see you still have your dream! I went back and read your old post/thread. Some good links there. I think you should have a "small" intermediate dream which can be realized fairly easily before you plunge into the big one: A Montana summer vacation. Fly into Missoula and rent a car, and travel east and go exploring! Line up some lodges (more fun than motels) for 2-3 days in several areas, and make day trips, catching whatever little festivals there may be in the general area of SW MT. Make sure to visit Ennis--great ranching country (but very short summer because of the altitude). If you think you can't afford it because it will drain funds from your savings for your actual move, I can tell you it is going to be worth it. Rather that, than make the move and realize after a few months or a year that you made a terrible mistake...On a vacation trip you'll meet people, talk to them and get a first hand impression of their attitude toward outsiders, you'll get a sense of the distances between ranch country and towns with hospitals/clinics (if you're still considering work), and you'll simply see for yourself if your inner Montana corresponds to the real one. There will be some bubbles burst, yes, but you will also find elements of what you're hoping for--and then, when the time comes to make a decision, you're going into it with your eyes open, and you will also have had a terrific vacation.
05-27-2012, 11:22 AM
Location: North Dakota
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Nothing different from rural PA. I bet you will do fine. Pay no mind to the doom and gloom. Good luck, and let us know how you are doing!
This doom and gloom is reality.
05-27-2012, 01:36 PM
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Agree, I've said it before, Montana is a "sacrifice" state. If you are not willing to sacrifice to live here, it's going to be tough to stay. As far as horse ranches go....how much experience do you have in the equine industry? Reining, roping, cutting or performance experience? I have family members in the industry and my husband and I raise a few mules. I'm asking because if you don't have experience you may be in for a shock. Montana horses are far different than Eastern bred warmbloods. We don't look for the right horse, we expect the horse we have to work hard, go miles and miles for days at a time, sometimes packing a few hundred pounds. They don't have lush green grass and cork to walk on and many don't have much more than a tree for shelter. Those Eastern warmbloods who don't fall the first trip into the hills won't make it through the first winter. Even Quarter Horses back East do not weather good here. Even the larger horse ranches here have a hard time as the income depends on the economy. Nobody is going to buy high dollar horses when the money isn't there.
05-27-2012, 04:26 PM
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Keep in mind that ranches and or sports teams are current favorites of the wealthy looking to offset income for tax purposes.
05-27-2012, 04:53 PM
Location: Bozeman, Montana
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I don't know if you are financially independent or if you would need a job, but for small towns in the area you requested, look at Three Forks, Willow Creek, and Manhattan. Jobs in small towns are, in general, not easy to find.
05-28-2012, 09:25 PM
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This doom and gloom is reality.
For anywhere. That is my point. Montana is not some rare economic place that in rural areas life is harder, jobs are hard to find, and so on.
If the OP is from Rural PA, I am sure they are already experienced in life in general. Rural PA is no piece of cake.
It cracks me up people keep telling "it like it is," as if everywhere else is easier living.
Just like in this thread, the horses are tougher? Come on now. Warm Blooded? They are horses, not reptiles!
Oh whoa'z me, Montana is so hard to live. Please. I swear it is a ploy to keep them outsiders out.
So all this doom and gloom, its like a self depriving thing or something?
Where is all the "Pioneer", pull yerself up and make do? I mean really. I would assume if you are singing the blue , some people's family of the past would be ashamed.
American life is the same all over, different views..true, but unemployment is crap, maybe in a few years we'll see a up turn. A truck job I used to get paid for well, is now a few bucks above the minimum wage limit.
meh...I could go on all day. As long as you have the desire, you will find a way. Sure if you want 6 figure jobs, there might not be so many. But if you are "sacrificing" as one good post says, then you will be fine I am sure, whether in Montana, or frigg'n Costa Rica.
05-28-2012, 10:46 PM
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well I don't mind hard work or making my living... it definitely is tough al over and rural pa is definitely tough... that said when it comes to work i am in nursing and it isnt as hard to find a job in that and i am willing to make a commute and on the horse front i was raised with horses i love them and i am not sure if i will want them for work or just pleasure... they are a pleasure no matter what you have them for... they are majestic and wonderful creatures and i am sure that i can handle anything the good lord puts my way... life gets tough no matter where you live ya just gotta be thankful for what you have and work hard to stay on your feet... i have a friend that drives truck and i plan on visiting and seeing the state riding with him and i will never have a problem with small town life where locals help locals... if i have something i dont want anyone knowing that bad i just wont tell anyone... i think small town is the best way to live... everyone is lie family and everyone helps everyone... everyone is an outsider where they move to if they ever move and even though it takes time eventually everyone gets to know one another and settles in... thank you for all the advice and i look forward to more...
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People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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