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Old 10-05-2010, 12:48 PM
 
Location: West Yellowstone, MT
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We would not even have this discussion if we could stop all of those who cheat the system taking benefits from those who really need them. It just came out yesterday that some welfare recipients in California who receive debit cards to use, spent hundreds of millions of the "benefits" at ATM machines in places like Vegas, Hawaii, Florida, etc. They are stealing the money for those who truly need it. I am a conservative who is OK with taking care of the truly needy.
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Old 10-05-2010, 02:57 PM
 
Location: cemetary
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I am a conservative who is OK with taking care of the truly needy.
You can't be - Rush says so! Let the charities who claim they are non-profits take care of the needy.
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Old 10-05-2010, 03:17 PM
 
Location: State of General Disarray
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Then the 25% are being forced to pay for the 75% who were irresponsible and had children they could not afford to raise properly? That sounds "fair" doesn't it?

Several things would happen when schools are taken off the government teat:

1) They WILL become more efficient, and learn to do more with less.

2) Schools (at least in populated areas) will COMPETE for tuition dollars, leading to increasing quality.

3) Parents will have CHOICES about the philosophical underpinnings of their school.

4) The people who currently cry for more tax dollars to be spent on education would have to open then OWN wallets instead of their neighbor's.

5) People who wish to help the poor with their education would have MANY more choices about HOW to help them, and could eliminate ALL the bureacratic middle-men.

5A) You could give directly to the school of your choice. Schools would not only be competing for tuition dollars, but for donations from the community as well. This would be STRONG motivation to NOT SUCK.

5B) You could pay the tuition for the kid down the street directly.

5C) You could start or give to a scholarship fund and base criteria on whatever you like (need, ability, achievement, activities... whatever).

There are ways to accomplish nearly anything, and human beings have the capacity to do them WITHOUT threatening each other with violence. It's barbaric, immoral, and simply unnecessary. The reason everyone still BELIEVES that it is necessary is because "we've always done it that way." And because the parasites who make their living off the stolen money have a vested interest in keeping their loot. And those same parasites have access to your children for 13 of their most impressionable years to pound it into their heads that they are helpless and must conform and obey their masters. That it is impossible for humans to co-exist without someone ruling over them, and impossible for them to cooperate for the public good without someone being empowered to steal from them.

So, you don't want to pay for the children of people who have reproduced without the means to provide for their kids? Cool, neither do I; we agree there. Problem is, we can't take it out on the kids. They haven't asked to be brought into the world. Now they're here, and what are we going to do? We can't deny them education based upon the fact that their parents suck.

The problem with the schools, as I see it, is not with the schools themselves or the teachers. It's the parents. They often don't have the time nor inclination to sit down with their kids and get involved in their education. I do not have kids, but I do volunteer work in the public schools here in Missoula and have yet to run across a teacher whom I don't think sincerely cares about the kids in his or her classroom. But if the kids aren't getting support when they go home, they're simply not going to get the benefits of being in school.

I would love to see my tax dollars invested in things like sex ed (here we go...) and family planning. If the United States can join the rest of the industrialized world and lower our rates of reproduction I think the schools and society would benefit, not to mention saving dollars on welfare programs.
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Old 10-05-2010, 03:18 PM
 
Location: West Yellowstone, MT
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A compassionate society takes care of those who are truly in "need". I can deal with being taxed to take care of them. There is a huge difference between wants and needs. I "want" a new Ferrari, but I don't "need" one. The problem is liberal, wannabe socialists try to convince us that the "wants" of some in our country are "needs".
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Old 10-06-2010, 02:30 PM
 
Location: cemetary
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The problem is liberal, wannabe socialists try to convince us that the "wants" of some in our country are "needs".
Well they've done a good job since FDR!
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