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Old 08-23-2008, 12:06 AM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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Some people need CPS. There are a lot of ABUSIVE PARENTS out there.
True, but CPS has too much power. In California, just an accusation of abuse is sufficient to get your kids taken away from you, with no investigation required, no due process, no right to face your accuser. You're judged guilty by CPS just for being a parent, and it's up to you to prove your innocence. This is unconstitutional, but it's how the system has evolved (indeed, it's the direction our whole legal system is headed). Meanwhile your kids are being bounced around foster care, which has become a glorified welfare system (and attracts about the same level of person), and in a year or two and with a good lawyer, you MIGHT get them back.
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Old 08-23-2008, 07:26 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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True, but CPS has too much power. In California, just an accusation of abuse is sufficient to get your kids taken away from you, with no investigation required, no due process, no right to face your accuser. You're judged guilty by CPS just for being a parent, and it's up to you to prove your innocence. This is unconstitutional, but it's how the system has evolved (indeed, it's the direction our whole legal system is headed). Meanwhile your kids are being bounced around foster care, which has become a glorified welfare system (and attracts about the same level of person), and in a year or two and with a good lawyer, you MIGHT get them back.
Too true! We faced this about 14 years ago, my son wouldn't stop biting other kids no matter how much we did time outs or talked so my wife slapped his mouth when he bit a kid in the pool.
Next thing we know CPS is at our door like the gestapo DEMANDING entrance to inspect the child.
Pretty much "comply and be assimilated" is the cry of those lock step facists. Took 6 months of crud to get past it and we remain in their files to this day and were told "if" we ever showed up on their radar again we faced jail time. On the other side, he never bit another kid.
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Old 08-26-2008, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Golden, CO
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Well the question is do you want a unpopulated poor Montana, or do you want a strong economy? There is a reason why business, big ones, don’t even look at Montana. You have all pointed it out already, taxes. Why would a business go to a state with a state income tax that comes right off their bottom line? Unless there are some major benefits, not of which Montana has.

Sales tax has been a dirty word in Montana my whole life, now that I live in a state that has one, and no state tax its not so bad. Drop the state tax and put in a sales tax, or I do like the idea of a flat tax, but only if the get rid of all the other taxes, ie gas tax, license plates, property tax and so on. Do that and the state will have more money, and business will come.

Something needs to be done to create opportunity for native Montanans or they have to leave, like I did, to make something of them selves. That means out side big money. Or you can just do nothing and leave Montana poor.
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Old 08-26-2008, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Montana
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I'd pass legislation banning the ownership of land by anyone who is not a full time resident.

Last edited by Timberwolf232; 08-26-2008 at 04:36 PM.. Reason: typo
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Old 08-26-2008, 05:02 PM
 
Location: In The Outland
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Are you going to tell them what crops to plant and what color to paint their houses too ?
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Old 08-26-2008, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Montana
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Naa... Just to help the working man with a fair chance to own and work a chunk of ground without having to compete financially with wealthy folks that don't live here.
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Old 08-27-2008, 06:35 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Naa... Just to help the working man with a fair chance to own and work a chunk of ground without having to compete financially with wealthy folks that don't live here.
Actually I would support higher property taxes for absent owners since they don't support the area/services year round like full time residents do.
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Old 08-27-2008, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Southwest Missouri
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Actually I would support higher property taxes for absent owners since they don't support the area/services year round like full time residents do.
But by the same token, aren't those same people less of a drain on the area's limited resources?
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Old 08-27-2008, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Montana
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But by the same token, aren't those same people less of a drain on the area's limited resources?
Depends on how you look at it. Vacation homes use up land that was once used for farming or agriculture. Now they sit, nobody farms it, nobody uses it for grazing or pasture, someone still has to cut the grass, irrigate, etc...

I'd support higher property taxes on absentee owners also.
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Old 08-27-2008, 09:39 AM
 
Location: The Hi-line
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I just read the question and immediatly clicked on "Post a Reply". I haven't read any of the other posts so forgive me if my answer is redundant to someone elses idea.

#1 Fix for Montana's problems:
Re-elect Schweitzer and Bohlinger. Nuff said.
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