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Old 08-14-2013, 11:36 PM
 
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I know that many states have a negative view of people in California, and I was wondering if people in Montana had a similar view. I am moving to Montana so, and was thinking I should mention it as little as possible. I am from a rural area so I hope it isn't painfully obvious.
My husband and I moved up from California about 7 years ago. I grew up in Alaska, so I knew what I was in for with weather.

We moved to Lolo in the Bitterroot valley. I did not ever encounter any negativity from the people there. Most people were initially curious about why we moved there, which was good because it opened the door for conversation. My landlords were extremely friendly and welcoming to us, as were our neighbors. Perhaps I got lucky, but I truly liked living there and didn't experience any trouble. We came up with California plates on our car, traded it in and bought a truck in town. My husband did not have problems getting a job with a California license.

I do think there are attitudes toward Californians but I think it's because many of them come to Montana to try and escape the life they had in the city and what ends up happening is 1. Urban sprawl 2. House flipping 3. Ignorance to how the local native Montanans feel. 4. the insistence of changing laws and manipulating the locals into doing things their way.

I think if you come here and blend in, you will not encounter troubles. I'm not saying live here and not have a voice, but at the same time, you really have to respect the people who have lived here all of their lives. Listen to them and understand that Montana is not California...it is a completely different place with different views. IE: Don't come here and get all nasty about hunters, because guess what, this is Montana and people hunt. Don't try to shape the laws into what you want and try to make Montana into the place you want to escape to begin with.
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Old 08-15-2013, 12:55 PM
 
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Sometimes people do not "get it" as far as what living in rural Montana is. They buy a house out on a county road and complain when they are not plowed out when it snows or how bumpy the road is. Things that are taken for granted in California like garbage trucks to take your trash from the curb do not exist. Pizza delivery or newspaper delivery are unlikely and you may be lucky to receive mail delivery a couple times a week. All those things and more like the lack of handyman plumbing etc services can add up and cause frustrationed complaints of "that's not how we did it back in..."
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Old 08-16-2013, 12:33 PM
 
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We spent some time last year in Flathead Valley. The only time we ran into an issue was when we were going thru a McDonalds drive-thru in Whitefish. We spent a substantial amount of time all over North Idaho, North Western Montana and North West Wyoming and had a very positive experience as long as we were away from the vehicle. Every area has there quiks.....but all and all it was not too bad. My husbands long beard was always an ice breaker....

Originally being from VA and my husband from OR.....we ended up in the socialist state of you know where....just to earn a decent living. There are great people here....as well as unpleasant egotistical rude know it alls. Oh and do not forget the entitlement attituders and the massive social burden brought on by all ridding on the coattails of government handouts...

Most of us who love Montana or any area enough to make the move and moving to that beautiful state are moving there because we are looking for something that has long been missing where they are coming from......Montana must be filling that void. When a real person finds what they perceive is perfect.....believe me, they have no intention of changing anything
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Old 09-11-2013, 12:32 PM
 
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...So any tips for fitting in?
I have a bit of a different point of view. I'm a native Californian and have become good fiends with a wonderful lady who lives outside Three Forks. Her children live in Bozeman. When I retire is a couple more years, I'll be leaving the state, (California), and have taken several trips to MT to visit my lady friend, but more specifically to check out places as a possible retirement home.

So far, in my visits, I have not experience even one episode of a negative attitude toward me. When meeting people, my lady friend always introduces me as her friend from California and am visiting to check out retirement places. I've always driven my CA licensed car. Everyone, without exception, have been very friendly, helpful, and just out and out wonderful and nice. Little wonder people want to move to MT.

As to fitting in . . . think of it like when you visit a foreign country. Keep a low profile, don't impose your viewpoints on others, (as has already been mentioned). Be respectful of how things are done. It works for them. Learn the culture, and embrace it.

It's really not hard to fit in. Be yourself, but can the California attitude. Its a beautiful state. The only place I've seen more stars at night is on the ocean during my Navy days.
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Old 09-11-2013, 03:50 PM
 
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You are fitting in, because you are not flaunting a California is the center of the universe attitude, and looking down on anyone or anything that is not to your California standard.

Those that do this, are not fitting into Montana. Anyone that will just act human, and respect those in Montana without trying to look down on them as so many central and southern Californians try to do, is accepted.
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Old 09-13-2013, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Olympic Peninsula, WA
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The advice oldtrader gives about not flaunting a "California is the center of the universe attitude" holds true no matter where you choose to move to. I'm a life long native Californian and chose to leave California upon retirement. The rural area I moved to is full of former Californians as well as three generations or more locals. I was told by my Canadian neighbor that the the locals would never accept me because I'm from California and Californians come up here and try to change everything. I've been here a year and a half now and 3/4 of my friends are locals. Some of their grandparents were original homesteaders. We share common interests revolving around our pets, outdoor activities, campouts and good eats. I left California to rekindle my child-hood memories, the orange groves, kids late to class because they were lighting the smudge pots in the groves, a sense of community, safety and freedom. I missed the agricultural college next door where we used to go as kids and observe with the livestock. California, the California where I grew up became something different. The orange groves were removed, the dairies sold out and it all got urbanized. The culture changed, the population exploded, crime increased as did rules and regulations. I moved to my new home with my sense of childhood wonder intact. I wouldn't want to change a thing!
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Old 09-15-2014, 11:59 AM
 
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All this talk about how EVERYONE in California are terrible people just blows my mind. It's funny to me that people from out of state believe that California is comprised of two giant cities: Los Angeles and San Francisco. My wife and I are moving to Montana in the spring, Maybe. She is a RN and I am A CNA. The only reasons we are moving to Montana is to pursue our dream of keeping our fly lines as tight as possible, live on some acreage, enjoy the beauty of our country, and to provide quality medical care for the people of Montana (The ones that already hate us before they have even met us.). Maybe all of you people in Montana and any other state that has a deep hatred for Californians need to read up a little before you brand and crucify everyone that lives in California. There are a lot of hard working people here that DON'T live in Hollywood. Our entire central valley is comprised of Farmers and Ranchers who work there ass off year round to keep food on the table and keep their workers employed. When you get above the SF bay area, you wouldn't even know you are in the same state anymore. It is rolling golden hills with vineyards as far as the eye can see. There are trees larger than life, most of which were cut down years ago by, "Out of Staters". Just like all the Gold in California was raped from the land by "Out of Staters". Here in Northern California, we can't even keep our own water! Southern California gets that by way of an aqueduct system thats funneled down the length of the state. Some of which is to feed those ranchers in the central valley, some of it is to keep the fine people of socal alive.

Really, if you want to really get down to the nitty gritty, were all "out of staters." Were human beings. This is what human beings do. If you look throughout history, human beings (especially us of the whiter variety) have always migrated to places that are the most habitable. We then kill all of the indigenous people who have actually been locals there for 1000's of years(Montana, your ancestors are guilty too, therefore, so are you by association. [url=http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/news/sunday/article_daca1094-4484-11e1-918e-001871e3ce6c.html]Blackfeet remember Montana[/url]), we suck up the resources, we move on to the next most habitable location. It's what we do on a small scale and its what we will do to the planet. Hopefully we find another host pretty soon we can latch onto, kill the natives, and call our own.

I'm a little disgusted also with our funny little [Mod cut] and how we call ourselves, "The United States of America". We aren't united. The only time our states "unite" is when someone attacks us. Then we unite in fear and anger. Other than that, we all talk [Mod cut]from within our imaginary little lines about people from this state and that state. It might as well be different countries with different species in them.

Look, the American Dream is to be able to find a piece of land to call our own in some place that is habitable and can sustain the lives of me and mine. If you don't want anything to do with me, I want nothing to do with you. But guess what, when our kids are going to school together, neither of them are going to ask where each is from, cause they'll both be from Montana. Just like you and I aren't.

Were all just visitors. There's good seeds and there's weeds. We all know what to do with good seeds. Ya plant 'em. And the weeds? Well, how do you like weeds in your garden?

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Old 09-15-2014, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Where the mountains touch the sky
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All this talk about how EVERYONE in California are terrible people just blows my mind. It's funny to me that people from out of state believe that California is comprised of two giant cities: Los Angeles and San Francisco. My wife and I are moving to Montana in the spring, Maybe. She is a RN and I am A CNA. The only reasons we are moving to Montana is to pursue our dream of keeping our fly lines as tight as possible, live on some acreage, enjoy the beauty of our country, and to provide quality medical care for the people of Montana (The ones that already hate us before they have even met us.). Maybe all of you people in Montana and any other state that has a deep hatred for Californians need to read up a little before you brand and crucify everyone that lives in California. There are a lot of hard working people here that DON'T live in Hollywood. Our entire central valley is comprised of Farmers and Ranchers who work there ass off year round to keep food on the table and keep their workers employed. When you get above the SF bay area, you wouldn't even know you are in the same state anymore. It is rolling golden hills with vineyards as far as the eye can see. There are trees larger than life, most of which were cut down years ago by, "Out of Staters". Just like all the Gold in California was raped from the land by "Out of Staters". Here in Northern California, we can't even keep our own water! Southern California gets that by way of an aqueduct system thats funneled down the length of the state. Some of which is to feed those ranchers in the central valley, some of it is to keep the fine people of socal alive.

Really, if you want to really get down to the nitty gritty, were all "out of staters." Were human beings. This is what human beings do. If you look throughout history, human beings (especially us of the whiter variety) have always migrated to places that are the most habitable. We then kill all of the indigenous people who have actually been locals there for 1000's of years(Montana, your ancestors are guilty too, therefore, so are you by association. Blackfeet remember Montana), we suck up the resources, we move on to the next most habitable location. It's what we do on a small scale and its what we will do to the planet. Hopefully we find another host pretty soon we can latch onto, kill the natives, and call our own.

I'm a little disgusted also with our funny little [Mod cut] and how we call ourselves, "The United States of America". We aren't united. The only time our states "unite" is when someone attacks us. Then we unite in fear and anger. Other than that, we all talk [Mod cut] from within our imaginary little lines about people from this state and that state. It might as well be different countries with different species in them.

Look, the American Dream is to be able to find a piece of land to call our own in some place that is habitable and can sustain the lives of me and mine. If you don't want anything to do with me, I want nothing to do with you. But guess what, when our kids are going to school together, neither of them are going to ask where each is from, cause they'll both be from Montana. Just like you and I aren't.

Were all just visitors. There's good seeds and there's weeds. We all know what to do with good seeds. Ya plant 'em. And the weeds? Well, how do you like weeds in your garden?
You may be from the state of Jefferson, so historically, your area doesn't like the california mindset either or they wouldn't have tried to secceed in 1941, but the attitude espoused above won't make it any easier to fit in.

There are 7 reservations here, and just as an FYI, the Indian Wars were over as of the end of the 19th century.
If you like to have guilt for something that happened a hundred years prior to your birth, be my guest, but don't expect that kind of opinion to be embraced. If you push that kind of agenda, then you will probably find yourself labed as just another Californian, unless you are moving to Missoula or "Berkley North" as it's sometimes known here, where they seem to have an affinity for "weeds"

On a second note, your A.C.R.O.N.Y.M.S. aren't funny nor do they show good taste or judgement. What you have written to get around the filters is in very poor taste at best, and shouldn't be written in this kind of forum.
Sounds like you would feel more at home in the Politics and Other Controversies forum where they have more difficulty with polite decorum.

Good Luck.
You'll need it.

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Old 09-15-2014, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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All this talk about how EVERYONE in California are terrible people just blows my mind. It's funny to me that people from out of state believe that California is comprised of two giant cities: Los Angeles and San Francisco.
As a supporter of the proposed State of Jefferson, and 28-year resident of the high desert, I understand this perfectly. My beloved desert was rapidly being ruined by blight crawling up from Los Angeles.

But the reason for the State of Jefferson in the first place is that San Francisco and Los Angeles totally dominate California, S.F. far more than L.A., especially when it comes to wacko politics and complete failure to understand that cities are fine, but no one survives without rural areas to feed those cities. About 3/4ths of California is rural, but you'd never know it, because that 3/4ths has absolutely NO say in how the state is run.**

Montana is first and foremost a rural agricultural state, and all human life ultimately depends on agriculture. We don't want our ag and other rural interests overwhelmed and destroyed by urban interests as has happened in California.

** This is a side effect of an old court decision that decided "one man, one vote" -- before that, the CA assembly was apportioned by population and the senate was "one county, one senator". This kept a balance of interests, because a highly populated county could not dictate to a lightly-populated county -- rural senators more or less balanced out city assembly members. This is no longer the case.

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Old 09-16-2014, 11:43 AM
 
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I'll sum it up for you.

1-Don't move to Montana and expect Montanans to change to suit your wants. We like our state the way it is. We like hunting, guns, trucks, beer, rodeos, fishing, burning firewood, small towns, dirt roads and long drives to the nearest town.

2-Don't move here and expect there to be similar culture, stores or products that you had in Cali. Don't move to a small town and jump into every organization possible with the hopes of "bettering" the community. The community was great before you came. I can't tell you how ticked I get when our "transplants from Cali." cry, gripe and whine that there isn't business growth and culture in our little town. They keep starting up little stores thinking they are making the town better, turn around a year later and close the store because of no business. Then they cry, complain and blame locals for their failure.

3-Don't sell your BMW and buy some jacked up Cadillac Escalade thinking you are "all country". It takes more than a 4x4, boots and hat to call yourself country.

4-Don't buy or build some big fancy California type house on 10 acres, buy five horses and call it a ranch. People who do this disgust me almost as much as subdivisions with horses on every 10 acre lot.

5-There are very few liberal towns in Montana. If you are more on the liberal side, move to these towns.

6-The majority of Montanans support wolf hunting. Get used to it. More than half of the pro wolf organizations are from the east coast (New York and Florida) and west coast (California). Montanans, especially ranchers relying on their cattle for income do not like out of state folks telling us what we can and can't protect or hunt.

7-Winters are not that bad here. I say that because I am used to them. I had snow in my yard in June and again in September. If you move here, at least try and stick it out for more than one winter before high tailing it back to California.

8-Respect Montanans. Remember, we are the one's sticking it out year after year, our whole lives to live in this wonderful state. Montana is a sacrifice state. If you aren't willing to sacrifice some of the finer things in life, it's not the place for you.
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