08-06-2008, 10:13 PM
Location: Montana
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You know, the more and more this and other threads move, the more I think I might see just a little bit more of the big picture...
All of us have something in common. We are all trying to make our way the best we can.
MySerendipity:
There are plenty of places with services, some are newer, and some have been that way. If you move out here, you may slide off the road in the winter and hit the ditch, and maybe someone will help yank your vehicle out of there.
Takes a while to get used to it for some, but you do get used to it.
I've driven on the snow and ice all of my life except for a few years when I was in the service or traveling and have spent lots and lots of time digging out tires!.
I'm not trying to scare anyone off. (well maybe just a little bit..
) I just hope that people realize that they can't change nature... whenever we humans try to make the earth work the way we think we need out of conveinance, (I know I'm a horrible speller) something comes up and bites us in the butt.
Most of the people that move here and work for a living understand that and really try to live happy, not out of a drive for wealth or recognition, but just to be happy.
I guess all I'm trying to say is, if anyone decides to make the move, just try to really get to know all of what is around you, don't try to change it, but try to live happy with whats already there.
Jarsmom:
I think you are right also.. There has been a lot of lazy, vindictive people here, and as a state, we haven't done a good enough job caring for our Montana, (and the rest of the rocky mountain areas) and now we are seeing what happens when we let things slide.
Hope that makes sense..
08-07-2008, 07:00 AM
Location: LEAVING CD
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A little further on what Jarsmom said about what I see as gossipy people. You do have to grow a thick skin here, people gossip especially in the smaller towns (smaller than Kalispell) and you have to be able to not care. We've been here for several years, have some very close friends and many "aquaintences" who we know smile to our face but gossip behind our backs.
I think it's a time and population thing, when we lived in CA and other big cities we didn't really have time to worry what the neighbors were doing much less sit around and gossip about the people we knew. If something happened with someone we knew that we really didn't agree with we just didn't see them anymore, period. We had soooo much going on and there are so many people we didn't need to use gossip as a time filler or activity.
We've gotten to the point now where we do what we do and if the wagging tongues don't like it, well, that's just too bad. They don't have to pay my bills or live in my house so it's really none of their beeswax anyway.
I would suggest reading the local papers online, including the letters to the editor and police logs to give you some idea of what goes on here and what "some" think.
If you come here be comfortable with yourself and understand that you will be spending more time with your family than other people so they're the ones you need to keep happy, eventually you'll gain some friends and the ones who aren't, well who really cares anyway?
All you need to take care of is your own little "sphere", don't get caught up in the gossip tree (people will try and draw you in and then cap on you for doing it) and you'll be fine.
08-07-2008, 09:29 AM
Location: In The Outland
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Many people will get a scanner and illegally program the easily available cordless and cell phone codes. Then they can listen in on their neighbors private phone conversations and then go blabbing your business all over town !
08-07-2008, 12:09 PM
Location: San Diego
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Wow! Good to know. That would drive me crazy, Hate gossip. I can grow a thick skin, wouldn't really want to though. Im a people pleaser being in the beauty industry, Im a good listener but i don't like playing into it. The scanner thing is a little freaky though. Don't like that. Is there anyway to block one phones?
08-07-2008, 01:02 PM
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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Many people will get a scanner and illegally program the easily available cordless and cell phone codes. Then they can listen in on their neighbors private phone conversations and then go blabbing your business all over town !
My old B/W TV would sometimes pick up conversations... seemed to be phones, not CBs. This was back in the 1970s. Quite annoying, actually.
Anyone on a party line (which probably still exist in some rural areas) learns to assume that everyone on down the line can hear everything they say. As someone once put it, it's a great timesaver -- you don't have to waste time spreading gossip yourself.
As someone here says, gossip is just a fact of life in small towns, cuz these people's lives ARE slower-paced and they have the time for it. But ANY two people who get together WILL talk about someone else, it's just the way we're wired, to spread information within the species. You yourself have to be willing to draw the line at what's acceptable chat and what's hurtful gossip, and be an example to the community. People who feel censured for spreading malicious talk will do less of it (remember it takes two -- one to talk and one to listen!), or at least it'll be limited to the people you don't give a damn what think anyway.
08-07-2008, 01:08 PM
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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MySerendipity
Wow! Good to know. That would drive me crazy, Hate gossip. I can grow a thick skin, wouldn't really want to though. Im a people pleaser being in the beauty industry, Im a good listener but i don't like playing into it. The scanner thing is a little freaky though. Don't like that. Is there anyway to block one phones?
Don't use cordless phones, that's about it. All other phones are, and always have been vulnerable to being overheard, since they are basically radios using public airwaves. Anyone who hits on the right frequency can receive that radio traffic. I'd say the main risk is giving a credit card number over a cordless phone.
Some of the newer VOIP (Voice over internet) protocols might scramble traffic, but I don't know at what point this protection kicks in. I don't know if any of the cellphone networks are encrypted.
If ANY point in a wireless chain (from your mouth to the other person's ear) isn't encrypted, that point IS vulnerable.
But the fact is, most people have better things to do with their time. Aside from the credit card issue, the sort of person who'd waste their life eavesdropping on other people's casual chatter... well, they
have no life, so who cares what they think?
(A life? Where can I download that??
08-07-2008, 05:57 PM
Location: Montana
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Haha.. When I worked for the cable company years ago in Bozeman, I was once accused of working for the CIA and planting a camera in this guys VCR. He read me the riot act and actually disassembled the VCR, called the shop and demanded that my boss look at it and prove to him that there was no camera installed. (OK it took him an hour to disassemble the VCR and somehow, in the 10 minutes I was there I somehow, under his eye planted a camera inside the VCR. Talk about a nutjob..lol
08-07-2008, 07:25 PM
Location: In The Outland
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Sounds like that dude was a brain fried paranoid meth head. Was all of his teeth rotted out ? ! One thing to remember about people eaves dropping via a scanner on phone conversations is that cordless phones may have a range of about a block or two where as cell phones have to have a transmission range to reach a cell tower and that could be several miles.
Reziac is getting rep points from me for the point about not using a radio phone of any type for buying products or paying bills and saying your account information over the phone . Use a hard line phone for those transactions and for the juicy conversations !
08-07-2008, 08:02 PM
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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Sounds like that dude was a brain fried paranoid meth head.
Or a garden-variety schizophrenic. I've known so many of 'em in the programming community (where it's endemic) that I can spot 'em secondhand.
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One thing to remember about people eaves dropping via a scanner on phone conversations is that cordless phones may have a range of about a block or two where as cell phones have to have a transmission range to reach a cell tower and that could be several miles.
Yep. Line of sight, but functionally figure about 15 miles.
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Reziac is getting rep points from me for the point about not using a radio phone of any type for buying products or paying bills and saying your account information over the phone . Use a hard line phone for those transactions and for the juicy conversations !
'Xactly so. Tho how many people still own a hardwired phone? I do, but I'm weird
The other thing to remember is that cordless (non-cell) phones usually don't work when the power is out... another reason to keep an old-fashioned corded phone on hand, even if it's not your regular yakker.
08-07-2008, 08:19 PM
Location: Texas
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If something happened with someone we knew that we really didn't agree with we just didn't see them anymore, period.
That just made me smile. That is exactly what it was like where I was raised. Living in the South I have found it is totally different. Do not want to generalize everyone, but I have found people talk about everyone and the next thing you see is they are all hanging around having drinks. Totally eludes me, that is why I need to be back in the north!!
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People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)