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Old 07-31-2009, 09:19 PM
 
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Old 08-01-2009, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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This isn't just a pro-gun-ownership law; it takes a stance to defend States' Rights, as defined by the Constitution, which limits Federal interference to interstate commerce. Critically important legislation for that reason as well as Second Amendment rights.
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Old 08-04-2009, 07:03 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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If Montana secedes from the Union who's gonna protect you from the Indians? Because the next logical step is that they will want to go back to what worked best for them. Montana might face an invasion of Sioux peoples from the Dakatas too, maybe even the Chippewas from Minnesota will once again take up the hatchet and renew their drive to take over the northern plains.
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Old 08-04-2009, 07:32 PM
 
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If Montana secedes from the Union who's gonna protect you from the Indians? Because the next logical step is that they will want to go back to what worked best for them. Montana might face an invasion of Sioux peoples from the Dakatas too, maybe even the Chippewas from Minnesota will once again take up the hatchet and renew their drive to take over the northern plains.
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Old 08-04-2009, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
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If Montana secedes from the Union who's gonna protect you from the Indians? Because the next logical step is that they will want to go back to what worked best for them. Montana might face an invasion of Sioux peoples from the Dakatas too, maybe even the Chippewas from Minnesota will once again take up the hatchet and renew their drive to take over the northern plains.
I'm not sure where your thinking. But the Crow and Cheyenne live here. They are our neighbors. Our friends. Right now, the only controversy is Senator Barraso releasing funds for water rights in Wyoming. Somebody has finally realized that water running off the land belongs to somebody. It's about time.

People from back east think of Indians different then we do. I was once working down on the Cheyenne river. Busting cattle out of the breaks. We were hot and dry and had been riding for over a week. We needed a shower, and we needed a cold brew. We rode in to Wall to get us some cold suds. There was 10 of us on horseback, we had pistols strapped on. We rode up to the hitchin rail and started climbing off our horses. Tourists started gathering around asking questions and shooting pictures. One of them asked me, "Have you seen any indians lately? Did they cause trouble?" I kind of laughed and said, "Ask Charlie, right there" Charlie was a full blooded Sioux. He said, "Yeah, saw some but they didn't offer any trouble." We then went in and had a beer.

Indians are just folk up here. There's no lines drawn. They are neighbors, friends, relatives.

No, I don't live in Montana. I live right close. Most of my friends have ranches that run on both sides of the border. There is no state line as far as they are concerned. They have land and the Govm't from both states bother them.

So, to answer your question. Me and my brothers will take care of our own.
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Old 08-05-2009, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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That is a good question, tho -- if MT were to secede (and for the sake of discussion, let's assume that it happens), what would be the legal status of the reservations? Are they truly the sovereign nations they contend they are, or are they technically federal territory? Would MT need to renegotiate the treaties?

And similarly, what about national parks? BLM land? Etc, etc.

Seems to me the only sane solution would be for MT to nationalize (ie. assert ownership of) all such federal and "foreign" lands, then renegotiate with the Indian tribes as needed.

Tho it would be a damned good opportunity for the tribes to assimilate themselves economically, to the ultimate benefit of their own people. Which is to say, OUR own people, since they'd be MT citizens too.
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Old 08-05-2009, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
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Yes, the tribes would own the land. They do now and will.

OMG. Not sure what the hell would happen everywhere else
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Old 08-06-2009, 07:16 AM
 
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Geez, since we come out there every year for 2-3 weeks, if Montana ever did secede I suppose I'd have to break down and get a passport! How else would I get my stress relief/sanity time in every year?! Of course the US would probably consider you a hostile country and forbid travel so once we snuck in we wouldn't be able to leave...
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Old 08-06-2009, 07:53 AM
 
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Increasingly, the desire to be left the hell alone is seen by Washington DC as "hostile."
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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Increasingly, the desire to be left the hell alone is seen by Washington DC as "hostile."
Increasingly, the desire to be left the hell alone is seen by government as "hostile."

There, fixed that for ya!

But you're absolutely correct. It's a side effect of the nanny state -- the only way we can nanny you is if we can watch every move you make.

Some people mistakenly respond, "Who cares? I've done nothing wrong, so I have nothing to hide!"

WRONG. Everyone has something to hide (if not, you shouldn't object to a camera in your bedroom, eh??)

The correct response is, "If I've done nothing wrong, WHY ARE YOU WATCHING ME??"

And the Nanny doesn't LIKE that.
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