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Old 09-04-2009, 08:52 AM
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The Civil War/War Between The States only proved that, when allowed to act outside his lawfully limited authority, a U.S. president is capable of unleashing horrendous violence against the lives, liberty, and property of those whom he pretends to serve. The Confederate States withdrew from the Union lawfully, civilly, and peacefully, after enduring several decades of excessive and inequitable federal tariffs (taxes) heavily prejudiced against Southern commerce. Refusing to recognize the Confederate secession, Lincoln called it a "rebellion" and a "threat" to "the government" (without ever explaining exactly how "the government" was "threatened" by a lawful, civil, and peaceful secession) and acted outside the lawfully defined scope of either the office of president or the U.S. government in general, to coerce the South back into subjugation to Northern control.
The South's rejoining the Union at the point of a bayonet in the late 1860s didn't prove secession is "not an option" or unlawful. It only affirmed that violent coercion can be used—even by governments (if unrestrained)—to rob men of their very lives, liberty, and property.[6]

It bears repeating that the United States are "united" explicitly on the principle that "governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed" and "whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends [i.e., protecting life, liberty, and property], it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government" and "when a long train of abuses and usurpations...evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."


Study your history real carefully because the truth is usually hidden for a reason.

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Old 09-04-2009, 09:01 AM
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Barrack Hussein Obama is basically doing the same as Abraham Lincoln did back then, is to try and force things on people that they did not want.

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Old 09-04-2009, 11:16 AM
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Old 09-04-2009, 11:26 AM
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The 14th Amendment is Clear. Secession is Treason and Secessionist are Traitors
Traitors against what? Tyranny? Ok, that's bad how?
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Old 09-04-2009, 11:41 AM
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Amendment 14 section 3
Seceding is Treason Secessionists are Traitors
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I don't see your point. Even if I agreed with you about the 14th (which I don't) so what? I hate to tell you this but you're living in a country that was started by traitors!
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Old 09-04-2009, 12:00 PM
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Traitors against what? Tyranny? Ok, that's bad how?
A strict reading of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution might conclude that we have a duty to rebel against tyranny. Even the most waffly reading of the other papers from the Founders would conclude the same.
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