Montana to Secede? (Lincoln, Jordan: military, budget, wage)

[grizzfan]

I haven't read all the posts on this issue, but suspect the thinking goes something like this:

Montanan's don't like the ReadID; it's an invasion of our privacy rights; it's too expensive, yada, yada.

So the legislature and the governor say "no". Acutally the governor has been in his typical grandstand mode on this one, one that he trots out for every conceivable issue, and now he's backing off a little bit if you read between the lines. We'll end up complying with RealID and you'll even wake up the next morning and the sun will still shine. Get real Montana; pick a good fight. RealID isn't one of them.

[Timberwolf232]

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. RealID is a horrible idea, and all it does is give big government more control. The legislators try to hide it in other spending bills to sneak it in on us, the American people.
Who likes the idea of an ID that can be tracked to find where someone is all the time? Why would you say that something so intrusive is not worth fighting against? I hope that the state govt fights it tooth and nail as it is a ridiculous idea.

[grizzfan]

Who likes the idea of an ID that can be tracked to find where someone is all the time?

I'm sure you noticed that since 9/11 we've had to tightened up things we need to know about people in this country. I'm not sure the technology in the RealID can track you much beyond the airline counter, certainly not while driving your car or going to Wal-Mart.

And you and other posters on this thread might be the ones that have observed that UPS and FEDEX can track a package anywhere in the world, but the Fed's don't know where the illegals are.

I hope you have also noticed that we are in a different era than we were in the 50s in Montana. We are not going back until we can rid the world of Islamic Facism and their associated terrorists. Having carried a military ID card various colors of passports and dog tags for 31 years, I'm not the least bit challenged or threatened by RealID.

[Radek]

Originally Posted by talibkwali

Wow. I am so proud of this state in certain areas including the 2nd amendment. (Less proud of it for....

The Missoula Independent Online - The cluck-ups

All that happened last year. Yeah Montanans feel strongly about this!

I vote we succeed. We have all the nukes.

And all the guns

Maybe we should band together with Texas, and just take over everything in between. I bet Wyoming and Colorado would be with us. And Arizona. That only leaves a few other states to take over.

[Radek]

Originally Posted by Gunluvver2

According to this website:
< Gun-control case divides state AGs >
The Attorney Generals of 31 States have file the legal documents encouraging SCOTUS to up hold the right of the "Individual" to Keep and Bear Arms. The AG's of five states, NY, MA, NJ, HI and one other I forgot have filed in support of upholding the Washington, D.C. gun ban.

Most of the West Coast states like CA, OR, WA haven't weighed in yet. The 31 States AG's that have filed are right in the middle of the country from North to South. It is going to be interesting to see how this issue plays out.

GL2

OR, WA and Cali all have large gun-owning populations, but also large urban centers. I can't imagine which side of the fence they'll land on. Whatever it is, it'll upset people. And for OR and WA, it'll probably be in upholding the ban. Which is a shame.
Cali though, I dont know enough about them. On one hand, it could reduce crime. On the other, it disarms citizens who can prevent crime.

Originally Posted by rubydi

federal funds are the only reason Montana finally enforced the 55 mph speed limit back in the day.

Im not sure about you, but I've noticed the 'enforcement' is a little lax. 1 MHP for 300 miles of I-90?

Originally Posted by GoingHome2TX

As a whole, the population is typically lazy and loud in words, but when it comes down to the actual right to remain true to their guns, I don't see Montana sticking beside them. .

You've made the exact same mistake that the Supreme Court is hopefully not going to make. That a government, or a government official is fully representational of its people. Our governor may be grandstanding, but I can assure you that all the Montan farmers, hunters and people who believe in self-protection, they won't just sit around and let big brother come through the door and take their guns. Regardless of what our governor says or does.

Originally Posted by jimj

My don't we think alot of ourselves. Not enough brainpower or resources? Really?
One thing we do have that most other states want is WATER. Since most western water sources start here I guess we could do "something" with that don't you?

A little sprinkle of arsenic here, a little sprinkle of cyanide there. Good idea And the best part, since most of it flows south or west... we can actually hit the water after we've had our fill of it. Beautiful

Originally Posted by grizzfan

I'm sure you noticed that since 9/11 we've had to tightened up things we need to know about people in this country. I'm not sure the technology in the RealID can track you much beyond the airline counter, certainly not while driving your car or going to Wal-Mart.

And you and other posters on this thread might be the ones that have observed that UPS and FEDEX can track a package anywhere in the world, but the Fed's don't know where the illegals are.

I hope you have also noticed that we are in a different era than we were in the 50s in Montana. We are not going back until we can rid the world of Islamic Facism and their associated terrorists. Having carried a military ID card various colors of passports and dog tags for 31 years, I'm not the least bit challenged or threatened by RealID.

You're used to the government knowing where you are. We aren't. So, your opinion isn't exactly objective.

First off, in regards to the technology... the standard cell phone takes a very very short amount of time to track down. RFID technology, which has been around for years, allows scanners to pick its information out of thin air. (the new credit card pass things, that you hold it up to it, instead of swiping)
Etc etc. The technology exists sir to create something that could either use GPS, or RFID or triangulation to make it easier to pinpoint someone.

I don't want the government to be able to easily locate me. Thats why I love Montana. I can go into the hills, and NO ONE can locate me unless they already know where I am. That I like. Its that freedom to move around and do my thing. It has nothing to do with legal or illegal activities. It has everything to do with personal freedom.

[Radek]

Can we call ourselves the Rocky Mountain United States? RMUS?

Because I bet Wyoming would join, North/South Dakota... maybe. Idaho probably. Nevada probably, Texas for sure, Arizona, New Mexico, etc.

[grizzfan]

Radek states:

Because I bet Wyoming would join, North/South Dakota... maybe. Idaho probably. Nevada probably, Texas for sure, Arizona, New Mexico, etc.

While I applaud your right to freely speak your mind, 'your mind' might be the problem here. I urge you to seek professional help.

Seccession is a lunatic idea proposed by lunatics.

[jimj]

Originally Posted by grizzfan

I haven't read all the posts on this issue, but suspect the thinking goes something like this:

Montanan's don't like the ReadID; it's an invasion of our privacy rights; it's too expensive, yada, yada.

So the legislature and the governor say "no". Acutally the governor has been in his typical grandstand mode on this one, one that he trots out for every conceivable issue, and now he's backing off a little bit if you read between the lines. We'll end up complying with RealID and you'll even wake up the next morning and the sun will still shine. Get real Montana; pick a good fight. RealID isn't one of them.

Nice try, actually if the news stories are correct the legislature took it out of the governor's hands so that the governor CAN'T agree to it. I'm no fan of the governor but in this case he's doing as he is told. BTW I agree with the legislature. Time for the feebs to butt out of this states buisness.

[GoingHome2TX]

Originally Posted by grizzfan

Seccession[sic] is a lunatic idea proposed by lunatics.

The last time a few states seceded from the country, a large underlying factor to motivate them to take such measures was for states rights issues. I guess its crazy to think that the people who live somewhere know better about their own states needs than someone who may be sitting in Washington D.C. over 3,000 miles away and has never even been to the state in question. It would be considered further lunacy, in your view, for the population of the state feeling encroached upon by the U.S. Government's blanket policy that adversely affects their home state to en mass decide that their best of interests are not left to the hands of the Federal Government and placed squarely in their own?

I am not saying that it would be logical under most circumstances for the majority of the states in the country to secede. Being logical and realistic about it also makes me understand that, as I stated earlier, very few states are in the postition to become their own nation. However there are certain moments when legislation comes forward that could possibly strip an individuals or states rights that makes me question if we need to be part of the United States of America or a freestanding nation of our own. Luckily the legislation that makes me think as such is usually shot down.

Being that this is a Montana related board, I will bring a point in case that hit home a few years ago. Washington law makers were saying that just because some transplanted wolf wandered off its home in a National Park and decided that it was hungry for some local ranchers livestock and only livelihood, the landowner could not shoot the blasted thing when he caught it in the act. It is not alright to protect your source of income if it interfers with a few District of Columbia politicians grand scheme of bringing a wild dog back into the country.

Originally Posted by Radek

You've made the exact same mistake that the Supreme Court is hopefully not going to make. That a government, or a government official is fully representational of its people. Our governor may be grandstanding, but I can assure you that all the Montan[sic] farmers, hunters and people who believe in self-protection, they won't just sit around and let big brother come through the door and take their guns. Regardless of what our governor says or does.

No, I haven't made a mistake of misjudging the population. I have seen this states population roll over on their own beliefs and ideals too frequently in the past. The moment any form of repercussion of making a stand comes forward, the loudest proponents shut up and bury their heads in the sand.

I remember sitting in a cafe in Three Forks when the first wolf shooting outside of Willow Creek was brought to public attention. Every local rancher in there said if one were on their land, they would do the same. Funny that some of those very same people in that cafe reported livestock killed and did not stand behind their words.

I also remember when Helena passed the citywide no smoking ban. Several restaurants said they would not honor the law and pay the fines just so their patrons had a place to enjoy their right to smoke. After a couple of times of being fined, they rolled over.

I would like to believe you, but frankly, I have lived here long enough to know how the vast majority of this state operates. It would be nice to be proven wrong on this one, but when it all boils down to the put up or shut up time, the residents typically do shut up. My hat is off to those very few that do put up, for they are men among mice.

[Simple Living]

Originally Posted by jimj

My don't we think alot of ourselves. Not enough brainpower or resources? Really?
One thing we do have that most other states want is WATER. Since most western water sources start here I guess we could do "something" with that don't you?

I've always liked your posts, jimj. I've always liked 'em!