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Old 10-03-2017, 11:18 AM
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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Originally Posted by mrwumpus View Post
That's quite a stretch to suggest that multiple law enforcement personnel and coroner detectives misidentified pit bulls and pit bull mixes so often as to skew the statistics that much. The burden would be on you to prove that in each case to wield that argument.
Any dog with a short coat and broad head gets called a pit whenever there's a bite incident. And very few people can ID breeds beyond the most common. Animal control are actually worse than average, in my observation, being typically people who flunked out of cop school -- NOT animal experts by any stretch. (In fact, I've never seen an AC officer who was any sort of dog expert, and I've known a bunch.)

Originally Posted by mrwumpus View Post
I've owned a pit bull mix (Airedale) and it was a wonderful dog for people, very sensitive and noble and protective. But it could not control itself around other dogs (or horses). It simply delighted in a good fight, and once got into a scrap with the neighbor's Rottweiler. The neighbor had to take his dog to the vet for stitches and my dog came home wagging his tail. The difference I noted with my dog compared to others I owned was that pain did not appear to be a motivating factor in stopping this instinct. I've seen him with his canine totally through his bottom lip and he totally unphased, still trying to get at the other dog.
Yep, exactly what I'd expect. Once adrenaline kicks in, pain goes out the window. And when you've got one that's dog-aggressive (not just out of control or fearful), it thinks all other dogs need to die and there's no changing its mind. And they're usually sane and sweet otherwise. You can get some control by always being the pack leader and boss, but they'll still look for opportunities to jump other dogs.

Airedales were developed for hunting tough game and there's no give-up in them; pitbulls were bred to fight other dogs (historically they're more terrier than bulldog), and dog-aggression is a heritable trait. High pain tolerance and persistence contribute (tho for other reasons are also good traits in a working dog). So yeah, a lot of 'em are dog-aggressive and won't give up. But as a general thing, dogs LOVE to fight (that full-of-myself big grin after a fight is normal) so it's really easy to select for. I've assiduously selected against it, because it's a royal pain in a kennel, and in a dogfight, few dogs can best a Lab (and their pain tolerance makes a pitbull look wussy). Imagine the fun when several Labs get into it.
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Old 10-05-2017, 08:53 PM
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Get a cat.
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Old 10-13-2017, 07:31 PM
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The lady in Bozeman killed by the pit bulls was gardening, an activity that is well known to provoke pit bulls.

"I do know Melissa, I've rented from her for six years,” said pit bull owner Bartlett. “She's sweet, she's very hard working, she works day and night, she's always really kind to me. My dog Bain has lived here just as long, never really had a problem with him, they never showed aggression towards her or anybody else. I'm not sure exactly what could've happened."
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