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Old 06-30-2008, 09:21 AM
 
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I also find it interesting that some of the people who complain the most about possible new ordinances or laws don't reside in this state full time or at all and that begs the question "why do they care"?.
I care because the Flathead Valley is where I was born and raised. I lived there for 23 years and it'll always be my hometown. I say in touch with what's going on there because I'll return someday.

In my opinion, it begs the question on why someone would complain about fireworks on a forum read primarily by people that don't live in Montana if they don't want to hear from out of state people......

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Now to someone who doesn't even live here and just visits his parents for a couple of days around the 4th I'm sure it is a sight to behold but for those of us who live here and have to actually SLEEP at night or have livestock it's not right to be denied that sleep or have your livestock flip out for well over a week just because of some inconsiderate residents or visiting "tourists" who leave their common sense in WA or CA or wherever they're from.
As I said above, I lived through 23 years of July 4th celebrations and will be back for my 24th this year. I prefer fireworks anyday over a shooting range (which was also nearby where I grew up) because fireworks only last for a couple weeks.

Who said anything about tourists from Washington being inconsiderate? I don't light off very many fireworks, and even the ones that I do are well away from neighbors. I don't light them off past midnight. Besides, the new neighors around the area just have to recognize that's part of the area they moved to. I've never met one inconsiderate tourist from Washington or California lighting off fireworks at 2 am.

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As for the people that live on so much land that there are no neighbors near, even if there was regulation who'd call in to complain?
A law is a law, right? Is it ok to break laws just because nobody complains? I own acreage here in Washington, does that make it ok to light illegal fireworks out here just because no one is around to complain?

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As for the suggestion that I shouldn't live in the county well, that's so silly as to not even justify a response. Sure people have no consideration so I shouldn't live here...
All I'm saying is I'm sure living in unincorporated areas of the Flathead Valley provides benefits for you that you don't get by living in an incorporated city. Most people like living in the county because of fewer laws and less regulation. The cities typically are regulated more heavily than unincorporated areas. But sometimes you get a neighbor who is acting in a manner that you may not prefer (but within the law), and that's part of what makes county life special. You can try to regulate it heavily (they do in Washington for example) but then you lose out on a lot of individual freedoms.

It's an age old argument. We all love laws that prevent our neighbors from doing something we don't like, and we all hate laws that prevent us from doing something that we want to do. Part of living in Montana is they greatly respect individual freedoms and that's just something that comes with the territory. I've read on here countless times about people wanting more freedom and wanting less regulation and thinking Montana is a great place to live - and everyone should recognize there are unintended consequences of less regulation. Like neighbors lighting off too many fireworks.
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Old 06-30-2008, 10:14 AM
 
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Part of the laws are because of complaints. Most fireworks are illegal, but they're illegal because they're too loud and disturb others.


And I'm going to assume that the Montana forum is read primarily by people who live in Montana, with the out of state folks having more of a vocal opinion for some strange reason.

I don't think it really requires more legislation. It just requires common courtesy, which is what the title of the thread is.
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Old 06-30-2008, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Montana
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I don't think it really requires more legislation. It just requires common courtesy, which is what the title of the thread is.
I agree...

I'll put up with a couple weeks of annoyance before I'd support more regulations.. We are losing enough individual freedom as it and it's nice to live in a place that actually supports the 4'th of July. I don't even have to buy fireworks anymore, just crawl up on my roof and watch the show!

I get up early too, and they have been going off the last 3 nights until 1:30-2:00am, so it does get annoying, but it only lasts a couple weeks max.
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Old 06-30-2008, 11:17 AM
 
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And I'm going to assume that the Montana forum is read primarily by people who live in Montana, with the out of state folks having more of a vocal opinion for some strange reason.

I would have thought that Montana people were reading and posting on this forum, but I've paid pretty close attention to the locations of where people live who post here and there's a lot of non-Montanans who post. Many are people who are considering moving there, some of displaced Montanans that like to remember what's it like back home, and some are people neither live here nor have any connections to Montana and simply have too much time on their hands.

In fact, both of our moderators on this forum live outside, in Wyoming!

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Old 06-30-2008, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
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I would have thought that Montana people were reading and posting on this forum, but I've paid pretty close attention to the locations of where people live who post here and there's a lot of non-Montanans who post. Many are people who are considering moving there, some of displaced Montanans that like to remember what's it like back home, and some are people who have too much time on their hands.

In fact, both of our moderators on this forum live outside, in Wyoming!
You are absolutely correct. Both moderators do live in Wyoming. And the point?

I do about 80% of my shopping in Billings Montana. I also hold a Montana Contractors license and have built numerous buildings in Montana.

But, as a moderator, I don't have to live in Montana, just have to make sure the TOS is followed.
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Old 06-30-2008, 11:33 AM
 
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You are absolutely correct. Both moderators do live in Wyoming. And the point?

I do about 80% of my shopping in Billings Montana. I also hold a Montana Contractors license and have built numerous buildings in Montana.

But, as a moderator, I don't have to live in Montana, just have to make sure the TOS is followed.
Only point is to mention that people from all over (not just Montana) post on this forum. Wyoming makes since because both states share a lot in common. (and both states have small populations).

I've applied for my Montana Professional Engineer license, and with luck, will have my PE stamp by the end of the year.
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Old 06-30-2008, 11:38 AM
 
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Only point is to mention that people from all over (not just Montana) post on this forum. Wyoming makes since because both states share a lot in common. (and both states have small populations).

I've applied for my Montana Professional Engineer license, and with luck, will have my PE stamp by the end of the year.
That is true. I think there's more "Want to move there's" then anything.

Excellent on the PE stamp. Tough to get. Congrats! At least with the contractors license, Montana has a state requirement. In Wyoming, I had to get a different one for Sheridan, Gillette, Casper, etc. Every town seems to want their own. But, I also found that in Wyoming, if you take the test in Sheridan and show proof of that in Gillette, they wave the test and issue a license after you pay their fee.
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Old 07-02-2008, 06:38 PM
 
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Well, I'll get to see the chaos this year, as I'm headed back for a quick vacation this weekend! I stopped the Muckleshoot Indian Reservation and bought a few fireworks. Of course, I didn't buy any Roman Candles (sold in a 40 pack for $20) or bottle rockets but I did get a nice collection of fireworks. This year will be on the 3rd for me and then I can watch the city display and other people's on the 4th.

Weather looks nice and it should be a great time!
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Old 07-02-2008, 06:54 PM
 
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Everyone has good points and strong feelings, I just feel bad for the poor dogs that freak out. I guess I'm just a sucker for a mutt ! I was awakened by thunder the other night, I didn't hear it except by proxy via my dog pawing my face and howling at the thunder ! I wish I had money to waste on fireworks, the money I would be using for fireworks is being diverted to gas money to go fishing !
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Old 07-02-2008, 08:06 PM
 
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-snip- I wish I had money to waste on fireworks, the money I would be using for fireworks is being diverted to gas money to go fishing !
A person has to have priorities.
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