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Old 07-07-2008, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Indiana
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I read in my local paper that President Bush and the leader of the U.S. Forest Service agreed to release millions of acres of land near or around Missoula, to be cleared and allow housing to be built there. Has anyone else heard this story? I may be a little late on the news and I can't remember all of the details of it. If it's true, how do the Montananians feel about this? If I were one, I would be outraged. What else can Bush destroy before leaving office? Sorry, trying NOT to be political on this topic.
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Old 07-07-2008, 03:26 PM
 
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This isn't a recent discussion but variations have happened in the past.

A few years back, Bush decided that sale of surplus land all across the US was a good strategy to help with the budget. The details are more complicated than I want to go into here, but he did propose to surplus lots of land all across the US (not just Missoula). It was defeated by Congress several times.

The state of Montana owns school trust land and they are slowly selling it off to meet the state mandate of managing the land for the highest and best use. It's not millions but more than a lot of people would like to see.

The most recent news is Plum Creek Timber Company announced a plan to sell 320,000 acres of land in Western Montana to federal, state, and private groups with conservation easements and deed restrictions guaranting permenant public access and a short term fiber supply. I think it's good depending on the details of the conservation agreement. The Plum Creek land is currently private and not public.
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Old 07-08-2008, 08:16 AM
 
Location: In The Outland
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Wyatt, your post appears to be a troll. You say sorry to get political but I think that was your posts purpose . This post appears to be a vehicle for another slap at our president. And I think that was your intention. With all the people moving to Montana we will need all that Plum Creek land for development ! I live in Montana and I am not against a company like Plum Creek selling some of their lands to be developed. Montana has plenty of protected lands. The government selling off public land for development is a completey different story, I am dead set against that.
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Old 07-08-2008, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Long Beach, CA
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What else can Bush destroy before leaving office? Sorry, trying NOT to be political on this topic.
These two sentences appear to be at odds with each other
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Old 07-08-2008, 10:09 AM
 
Location: In The Outland
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Bush bashing and trolling !
I know the rules and I can play too !
WHEN J.M. is elected , -- I believe he wouldn't go along with the Idea of selling off public lands as a short term fix for our governments budget mismanagement. I voted for G.W Bush but that doesn't mean that I like him or his reckless signing of pork bills.
He's a frigging crusader and will only veto when it comes to the abortion and stem cell issues. I do still have respect for our leaders even when I think they are misguided.
Don't worry Bush will be gone soon enough and then you can start some more troll posts against our next Republican President !
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Old 07-08-2008, 04:16 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Plum creek selling is just fine, after all it IS still their land!
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Old 07-08-2008, 05:39 PM
 
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I don't agree that this post is a troll because President Bush indeed did propose a plan to sell off Forest Service land.

See Bush Administration Moves to Sell National Forest Land, Bush Proposes to Sell Off $1 Billion Worth of Public Lands, and President Bush’s Budget Proposes to Sell Off America’s Public Lands (http://www.wilderness.org/NewsRoom/Statement/20060209.cfm - broken link).

All of the articles discuss the question that the original poster asked, but all of the articles are several years old.
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Old 07-08-2008, 06:01 PM
 
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....and I am not against a company like Plum Creek selling some of their lands to be developed. Montana has plenty of protected lands.
The Plum Creek land is owned by the corporation and it is theirs to decide what they want to do with it.

With that said, I've spend many hours hiking, biking, and backpacking on Plum Creek Timber Land and have always enjoyed the fact that it is open to the public for recreation and hunting. When they choose to sell it, I hope the new owners will continue to allow public access for recreation and hunting because it's something that makes Montana unique.

The last large chunk of land that Plum Creek sold ended up being developed as the Moonlight Basin ski resort, fenced off (no public access), and turned into a private ski resort for celebraties. It's no longer beneficial, useful, or serves any purpose to the people who live in Montana. (With all due respect, Plum Creek was taken for a ride on this one. I don't think anyone in the corporation had any idea this was going to happen with the land they sold).

That was Plum Creek's choice, but I would prefer the land be kept in a fashion usable to the people who live and visit Montana.
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Old 07-08-2008, 08:19 PM
 
Location: In The Outland
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I didn't google the history of Plum Creek but I think they got their land dirt cheap from the great Northern Railroad who got it for free from Uncle Sam. I may be wrong on the details but they got a bonanza from what I have heard.
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Old 07-08-2008, 08:59 PM
 
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I didn't google the history of Plum Creek but I think they got their land dirt cheap from the great Northern Railroad who got it for free from Uncle Sam. I may be wrong on the details but they got a bonanza from what I have heard.
Yes, that is basically correct.

The railroads were given land in exchange for building the transcontinential railroads. Basically, banks didn't want to lend money to build the railroads since they didn't know if they'd ever see their money again. The government gave the railroads land that could be used as colleteral to secure loans.

They gave away the land in a checkerboard fashion and you can easily see the checkerboard apperance today by looking at a forest service map. Because of the checkerboard style, the logging roads that many of us use to get to our favorite fishing hole cross over a lot of Plum Creek land.
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