new people... (Missoula: utilities, quality of life, live)

[JoeJoeMan]

Monataguy....................stop with that silly statement/argument already about montana's population. Did you read that paper about the bitterroot, the link was post on here somewhere recently..the bitterroot valley, one of the fastest growning counties in the country.....
About californians moving here, just read the posts here, most are from califs wanting to move here. Plus they have largest population for a state, so just by those simple figures you can figure out more of them move here, if you live here in montana you don't need anyone to tell you where most implants are from.

[MontanaGuy]

Monataguy....................stop with that silly statement/argument already about montana's population.

I'm just stating what is factual and it is a fact that in the 5 years of those numbers (1995 to 2000) about ten percent of the population of Montana moved away and was replaced by almost as many newcomers. People all over the country in every state do the same thing, it's the way that Americans live these days. I mentioned I've done the same thing myself a few times. It's also a fact that there's probably more Montanans moving to California than Californians moving to Montana but you're not paying attention to that part of it. I realize you've got some bad feelings about the way that you see Montana changing but you're not seeing the total picture. Montana, like every state, is changing with the times and some of those changes are not welcomed by everyone. The census bureau and other data gathering agencies are not trying to make any social or political statements by the numbers they release, they just provide raw data. Any reasonable person should be able to grasp their meaning. JJM, I just think you've got your mind made up and you're looking for someone to blame for changes you don't like but the facts are not on your side.

[fbcobrn]

[quote=MontanaGuy;385001, I just think you've got your mind made up and you're looking for someone to blame for changes you don't like but the facts are not on your side.[/QUOTE]

Ohhhhh Noooooooooooo....slipping on my hip boots, finding a rock to hide under Pulling my wool hat down over my eyes

(stay cool, take a deep breath, OMMM, this too shall pass)

[YOU-CANT-EAT-SCENERY]

Putting on my flack jacket

[SandyCo]

Originally Posted by JoeJoeMan

Monataguy....................stop with that silly statement/argument already about montana's population. Did you read that paper about the bitterroot, the link was post on here somewhere recently..the bitterroot valley, one of the fastest growning counties in the country.....
About californians moving here, just read the posts here, most are from califs wanting to move here. Plus they have largest population for a state, so just by those simple figures you can figure out more of them move here, if you live here in montana you don't need anyone to tell you where most implants are from.

JJM, you're making some interesting assumptions. First of all, yes, a lot of Californians are looking to move out of state. Many of us, though, are considering more states than just Montana. I'm also considering Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, and Nevada. John65Vette is considering at least Wyoming and Idaho in addition to Montana. In other words, there is a very good chance that even though there are Californians posting on the Montana forum looking for info, we may not even move there!

Why do you assume that because California is the largest state in population, more Californians are moving to Montana than people from other states? That's not necessarily a logical conclusion. Just be grateful you're in Montana; Nevada and Arizona have absorbed many more Californians than Montana has, and will probably continue to do so. Something about Montana's cold winters...

Also, although I have sympathy for the Montana natives who can't afford to buy a house where they grew up, I also can't help but think, "Welcome to my world!" The median price of housing in L.A. County is now eleven times the median income. Talk about ridiculous! I could no more own a house here than I could fly to the moon! My only hope to is to do a lateral transfer with my company, because my base salary (adjusted for the high cost of living here) will probably mean that I can buy something decent elsewhere. And I don't mean one of the new subdivision houses where everyone lives on top of one another, either. I intend to buy in an already established, older neighborhood.

The truth of the matter is that the middle class in this country is disappearing before our very eyes. I have options that I already outlined above. I only hope that my children will become professionals. Otherwise, I don't know what they're going to do or how they're going to live. We can blame the politicians, we can blame free trade, or we can point fingers at each other. Please keep in mind, however, that we all belong to the same United States of America, and we're all under one flag!

[AQHA]

I for one don't mind the California folks moving to Montana. I do worry about some of their political views and how that will change things here down the road, but ultimately I'm glad to have outsiders move in and become Montanans themselves. I think it will make Montana even better.

My only question is... Why would they want to move here? I just don't see how a person from that type of lifestyle could come to slow, quiet, boring Montana and be content. I grew up in this area so I love it, but a person from a populated city would be bored to death here.
They may want to get out and hike and hunt and fish and ride horses and all that but after the initial thrill of that is gone they may wish they were back in a populated city with all the trappings that go along with big cities.

[YOU-CANT-EAT-SCENERY]

Originally Posted by SandyCo

JJM, you're making some interesting assumptions. First of all, yes, a lot of Californians are looking to move out of state. Many of us, though, are considering more states than just Montana. I'm also considering Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, and Nevada. John65Vette is considering at least Wyoming and Idaho in addition to Montana. In other words, there is a very good chance that even though there are Californians posting on the Montana forum looking for info, we may not even move there!

Why do you assume that because California is the largest state in population, more Californians are moving to Montana than people from other states? That's not necessarily a logical conclusion. Just be grateful you're in Montana; Nevada and Arizona have absorbed many more Californians than Montana has, and will probably continue to do so. Something about Montana's cold winters...

Also, although I have sympathy for the Montana natives who can't afford to buy a house where they grew up, I also can't help but think, "Welcome to my world!" The median price of housing in L.A. County is now eleven times the median income. Talk about ridiculous! I could no more own a house here than I could fly to the moon! My only hope to is to do a lateral transfer with my company, because my base salary (adjusted for the high cost of living here) will probably mean that I can buy something decent elsewhere. And I don't mean one of the new subdivision houses where everyone lives on top of one another, either. I intend to buy in an already established, older neighborhood.

The truth of the matter is that the middle class in this country is disappearing before our very eyes. I have options that I already outlined above. I only hope that my children will become professionals. Otherwise, I don't know what they're going to do or how they're going to live. We can blame the politicians, we can blame free trade, or we can point fingers at each other. Please keep in mind, however, that we all belong to the same United States of America, and we're all under one flag!

Well said SandyCo I will admit that I am fortunate enough to have bought my house when I did 4 years ago. I couldn't afford to buy it now.
Also your comment about more Californians moving to MT than from other staes, I also find interesting. From the few posters I have seen here asking questions, most seem to be from back east, or down south. I think there is maybe at most a half dozen of us Californinas asking about MT. No one I know here in So Cal, would even give a second thought, to moving to MT. They all like warmer weather. They think I'm nuts Well maybe I am.

Originally Posted by AQHA

I for one don't mind the California folks moving to Montana. I do worry about some of their political views and how that will change things here down the road, but ultimately I'm glad to have outsiders move in and become Montanans themselves. I think it will make Montana even better.

My only question is... Why would they want to move here? I just don't see how a person from that type of lifestyle could come to slow, quiet, boring Montana and be content. I grew up in this area so I love it, but a person from a populated city would be bored to death here.
They may want to get out and hike and hunt and fish and ride horses and all that but after the initial thrill of that is gone they may wish they were back in a populated city with all the trappings that go along with big cities.

I for one don't take in even a small fraction of what is available here to do. I am more of a homebody type person. I prefer to stay home, work on my 65 Corvette, talk with my wife, etc. so a place like MT would suit me fine I don't hunt, but do like to 4 wheel, fish etc.
Here, in order to do those things, you will have to drive several hours, due more to traffic than distance. The beach is here, but I have no desire to go there, pay $10 to park my car, fight all the illegals to find a spot on the sand, and then not be able to get in the water, because it's so crowded. NOPE!!! I have had enough.
Oh BTW, thank you for not being upset about "another Californina" looking to relocate and not all of us are liberal.

[GiftShoppeGuy]

It doesn't make a difference who moves in and who moves out.. or how many.. or from where.... Splitting hairs or putting your own spin on this won't win any arguements for you.......

The "Report" was about "growth"... notice I said "Report".... not article....

For a valley the size of the Bitterroot to grow by 49% in 7 years..... now that's "big"..... As big as, say, Orange County growing by 49% in 7 years.......
Or King County growing by 49% in 7 years....

I can guarantee, beyond reasonable doubt that neither Orange County or King County have grown half that much in the past 10 years.

"No county in the west has grown as much and as fast as the Bitterroot valley (Ravalli County) has the in 10 years between 1991 and 2001".... it's a fact that cannot be avoided.

And newer numbers between 2002 and 2006 coming out are even more disturbing.... 62%.
One can throw all of the clock'n'bull out there that they feel they need to, but there isn't any getting around the actual growth of that area.

When I posted the link to that .pdf file, I highly encouraged those of you from out of state to read it in it's entirety....... I didn't say, for any of you to go through and pick out the bits and pieces of it that suited you.... I said to read the whole thing...... I would've expected anyone sensible to look at this report for what it is..... and view it's results objectively, and without bias.

Now I don't care who moves in or moves out..... or who stays or who leaves right away...... that's not the point...

The point is..... and what the report is driving at or centered around.... is the "growth" in the Bitterroot valley.......

Areas in Colorado, Utah, Idaho, and Wyoming are being hit pretty hard too.... but the Bitterroot valley is being hit the hardest out of all of them......

[SandyCo]

Originally Posted by AQHA

Why would they want to move here? [/b] I just don't see how a person from that type of lifestyle could come to slow, quiet, boring Montana and be content. I grew up in this area so I love it, but a person from a populated city would be bored to death here.
They may want to get out and hike and hunt and fish and ride horses and all that but after the initial thrill of that is gone they may wish they were back in a populated city with all the trappings that go along with big cities.

Much like John65Vette, I also don't go out that often. The traffic alone is a huge deterrent. I also haven't been to the beach in forever, and I can't say I miss it much. I'm not into the partying lifestyle (barhopping? What's that?), and I'm tired of living so close to 11,000,000 other people in this county. If I live relatively close to (or in) a small or medium sized city, I'll be happy.

[YOU-CANT-EAT-SCENERY]

Originally Posted by GiftShoppeGuy

It doesn't make a difference who moves in and who moves out.. or how many.. or from where.... Splitting hairs or putting your own spin on this won't win any arguements for you.......

The "Report" was about "growth"... notice I said "Report".... not article....

For a valley the size of the Bitterroot to grow by 49% in 7 years..... now that's "big"..... As big as, say, Orange County growing by 49% in 7 years.......
Or King County growing by 49% in 7 years....

I can guarantee, beyond reasonable doubt that neither Orange County or King County have grown half that much in the past 10 years.

"No county in the west has grown as much and as fast as the Bitterroot valley (Ravalli County) has the in 10 years between 1991 and 2001".... it's a fact that cannot be avoided.

And newer numbers between 2002 and 2006 coming out are even more disturbing.... 62%.
One can throw all of the clock'n'bull out there that they feel they need to, but there isn't any getting around the actual growth of that area.

When I posted the link to that .pdf file, I highly encouraged those of you from out of state to read it in it's entirety....... I didn't say, for any of you to go through and pick out the bits and pieces of it that suited you.... I said to read the whole thing...... I would've expected anyone sensible to look at this report for what it is..... and view it's results objectively, and without bias.

Now I don't care who moves in or moves out..... or who stays or who leaves right away...... that's not the point...

The point is..... and what the report is driving at or centered around.... is the "growth" in the Bitterroot valley.......

Areas in Colorado, Utah, Idaho, and Wyoming are being hit pretty hard too.... but the Bitterroot valley is being hit the hardest out of all of them......

Am I missing something GSG What PDF file? I found nothing in this thread