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Old 08-15-2014, 03:47 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Interesting to see this thread revived. I never experienced this level of poverty in Montana but the poorest I've been was when I lived in Montana after college (didn't do so well during college either). Unless you have lots of money it's pretty tough to make it on the many minimum wage jobs in the area.
Well, there's still tons of people who visit for the spring/summer and fall in lust with Montana then decide "let's move" only to find it isn't what it looked to be for whatever reason.
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Old 08-15-2014, 04:57 PM
 
Location: North Dakota
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Well, there's still tons of people who visit for the spring/summer and fall in lust with Montana then decide "let's move" only to find it isn't what it looked to be for whatever reason.
I can't rep you enough for this one. It's often a bad idea to move to a vacation destination, especially because of its beautiful scenery. People visit places like Montana and forget that the average Joe doesn't camp all week long, doesn't flyfish from sunup to sundown, and doesn't hike all day every day. They still have to have an income coming in just like everyone else. You can't live without money and you certainly can't live on scenery and the fun does cost at least some money.

This is the same mentality as people who move to places like Florida and Hawaii after falling in lust with them on vacation. The average Joe in Florida still has to have income coming in, they aren't at Universal Studios or Disney World all day ever day, they aren't on the beach all day every day. The average Joe in Hawaii doesn't surf all day every day and doesn't just sit on the beach all day every day. I'm willing to bet money that just like anywhere, the scenery in Florida and Hawaii will eventually become something you're used to and not that exciting.

I'm not saying nobody should move to Montana (or taking a position on the other two states) but your lust comparison is accurate and anyone who wants to move anywhere would be smart to make sure they can actually support themselves somewhere.
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Old 08-22-2014, 06:15 AM
 
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I know its not an option for everyone, but its how we changed our position. When we lived in Montana it was the poorest we had EVER been in over 20 years.

I def see the "cant eat the trees concept" and met a guy at the laundromat that was on leave from the oil fields and had to go back soon, never saw his kids and he was working there with a hurt back because there wasn't anything else in the valley he could do that would pay the bills.

Really the people there were great, but thats not what I think about when I think of Montana, because the level of poverty we experienced was such a defining moment in our lives. I think of how close we came to living full time in a state of chronic malnutrition.

Your Mileage May Vary.
Thanks for sharing your story. It is very rough to live here for many people, especially if you don't already have a decent amount of money or a profession. Most people we know are patching it together. They either work two part timers, with a side business or two, or a full timer with a part timer.... no one I know hardly works at one job because it's impossible to do so, unless you throw your hands up and go on housing and welfare. We went the multiple jobs route to survive. I make and sell jewelry. I work from home writing articles online and transcribing medical records. My husband works a full time and part time. I never see him. We've become like two ships passing in the night. He has one day off a week and that's for church and family. We thought the rat race was in California, but it's a rat race here too. In Ca, he worked one job that pays twice as much as what he makes at two jobs here. Yes, you read that right.

I know a family who got by last year selling rabbits, spare car parts, shoveling snow, mowing lawns, babysitting, taxiing drunks from the bar, and the occasional house painting job. That's patching it together.

He has a good job he just got, and we're going to move in a month. We have decided however, if things don't start to look up for us financially, we're leaving. We were going to move out two years ago and couldn't let go of the mountains. But now it's down to survival and our future, and I guarantee you that scenery won't keep us here too much longer.
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Old 08-22-2014, 06:23 AM
 
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This is an often quoted Montana aphorism. Unfortunately, this attempt at Montana protectionism doesn't always work. There are far left, extreme vegans here in California that ARE willing to eat the scenery.
LOL this is true.

I remember one night, going to eat at a Chinese place in Missoula. Two older men come in and sit down at a table next to us. As they searched the menu, one of them started to complain "This isn't the Chinese food we used to get in SF. This is miles and miles of batter.". I started to laugh.... and wanted to say something but I held my tongue. He was furious that there was nothing vegan on the menu that he wanted. I'm like, hello... you're in Montana. They were already planning ways to open a vegan cafe downtown. Wonder if they made it happen.

I have nothing against vegans, but I'm a meat and potatoes woman.
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Old 08-22-2014, 08:40 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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LOL this is true.

I remember one night, going to eat at a Chinese place in Missoula. Two older men come in and sit down at a table next to us. As they searched the menu, one of them started to complain "This isn't the Chinese food we used to get in SF. This is miles and miles of batter.". I started to laugh.... and wanted to say something but I held my tongue. He was furious that there was nothing vegan on the menu that he wanted. I'm like, hello... you're in Montana. They were already planning ways to open a vegan cafe downtown. Wonder if they made it happen.

I have nothing against vegans, but I'm a meat and potatoes woman.
If there isn't one there by now you'd think they'd get why not. I'm always amazed when transplants come to MT and think they're bringing something that's not been thought of or tried before or that the people there are "too stupid,slow or backwards" to have never realized they needed something.
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