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Old 02-25-2009, 06:55 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Very well said, and yes I have noticed all the blacks on TV lately. All the blacks on TV has more to do with 'black mail' than anything else. If the companies who pay the ad agencies don't use blacks to advertise their products they stand the chance of being black balled. If a black activist gets a company black balled the company loses millions of dollars and can even be driven out of business by these people who cry racial injustice. Some are even made to pay "ransoms" to these activist for protection against these racist claims. If you don't believe it do some research. This is a big dark secret that few have dared speak about. Its like the McCarthy stuff back in the 1940's, speak out against them and they will destroy you. There's not a company, media distributor, political group or anyone who could avoid the wrath of these "activist". All the activists have to do is boycott or even just have a few talking heads go on Larry King or one of the outlets and throw out a few allegations of racial injustice. Allegations are all thats needed in this day and age.
By activist would you be talking about the likes of Jesse (pay up or get boycotted) Jackson and Al (if you're white you're a racist) Sharpton? I do have to say though Sharpton has gotten better as of late, I think the lacrosse kids he went after a few years ago finally taught him just because someone claims something happened doesn't make it so...
The commercials imo are just pandering. I don't think they're being forced I just think they're trying to ride the coattails of the chosen one and suck up to what happens to be popular at the moment.
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Old 02-25-2009, 10:13 AM
 
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By activist would you be talking about the likes of Jesse (pay up or get boycotted) Jackson and Al (if you're white you're a racist) Sharpton?
Yes those are the two most visible by far, and there are probably thousands more working the same scam that we never see make headlines. I'll agree Sharpton has toned in down a little lately. He's actually a very intelligent and funny man, I do like listening to him.
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Old 02-25-2009, 12:37 PM
 
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it's not activists that are the problem, it's when their self-interests are hypocritical and they perpetuate that same marginalizing that they have been the victim of.

it just comes with the territory as people are inherently on the selfish side and many will be tempted to be unethical or greedy. so that is why everyone should have a voice and it won't be perfect but it's the best way to alleviate unfairness as much as possible. shutting people up is counterproductive too.
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Old 02-25-2009, 04:45 PM
 
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it's not activists that are the problem, it's when their self-interests are hypocritical and they perpetuate that same marginalizing that they have been the victim of.
You can call them anything you want to, but the fact remains, its these people who constantly try to play the race card that are keeping this BS alive and trying to make others feel guilty for something they had nothing to do with.
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Old 02-25-2009, 06:30 PM
 
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You can call them anything you want to, but the fact remains, its these people who constantly try to play the race card that are keeping this BS alive and trying to make others feel guilty for something they had nothing to do with.
AND i was agreeing with you but not everyone is playing the race card, some people have legitimate complaints, some which can be or get very serious if people are not aware of these issues.

it can get overboard, i agree, but pretending that racism doesn't exist and have serious consequences in regard to discrimination will have other negative consequences.
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Old 02-25-2009, 07:24 PM
 
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AND i was agreeing with you but not everyone is playing the race card, some people have legitimate complaints, some which can be or get very serious if people are not aware of these issues.

it can get overboard, i agree, but pretending that racism doesn't exist and have serious consequences in regard to discrimination will have other negative consequences.
Unfortunately when enough people cry wolf and then extort money/power from people it makes it that much harder for any who are really experiencing problems to be believed.
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Old 02-27-2009, 09:26 PM
 
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Who said any thing about forgetting??? Forgiveness is a vehicle to move out of a situation inspite
of the current or (past) situation. That gives You the power not them. I am presuming you desire
to be a role model. What a better way than to teach younger people how to move beyond their hurts. Dont misunderstand. Forgiveness is not forgetting. Forgiveness is for you, not the other
person.
yes you are right
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Old 02-27-2009, 09:27 PM
 
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You're right, you have a different and more personal perspective on this than most of us. I like to think of myself as a pretty good historian and very open minded person, but I have never been in your shoes. I learn from a book, you learn from everyday life. Your point is well taken.
thank you
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Old 02-27-2009, 09:33 PM
 
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Sounds like more excuses than anything else. Explain how every other people who come here and don't even speak english get by and even do very well despite the predjudice thrown at them daily. Heck when I lived in San Jose we were invaded by Vietnamese and Cambodians who didn't (and still don't) speak much english and they own business's,homes and many are well to-do how did they do that in an oppressive society? They didn't blame anyone for their circumstances and did what it took to get ahead realizing what oppertunities were out there.
The only way Indians (or any others for that matter) will get ahead is to leave the past in THE PAST and look ahead to the future, work hard and quit looking for someone to give it to them.
well i almost misunderstood what you wrote i almost agreed with you. but how do you know they do well? doesnt it irritate you that they not only dont speak english but they wont speak it? it irritates me. however you cant compare the vietnamese and cambodians with what native americans went through, not the same thing. i agree that native american has alot of work to do but we are trying many of us, but until you have walked in our shoes you still dont have any idea.
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Old 02-27-2009, 09:37 PM
 
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Please, enough already!!!! Injustice? I think not. I have had it up to my eyeballs with minorities screaming injustice. I refuse to pay for something my forefathers did. Thats like telling my future great grandchildren they can pay my neighbors future great grandchildrens house payment because he was a minority. Since the election, racism is at an all time high. Can you guess why? Because the minorities are crying racism, not white people. Hell, a highly noted cartoonist cannot even draw a cartoon with a headlining animal in it without worrying about minorities crying racism. What's next? Our children's school books will have to be burned and re-written without pictures of chimps? Has anyone noticed the increase in African-American commercials? America is afraid of racism and the consequences faced with it. Keep it up and the white folks will have the right to scream and cry racism in no time at all. If ALL of America regardless of color background religion what have you will stop their own acts of racism, this country would be alot more pleasant to live in. This is America, if you move here from another country, learn to live by American laws, speak the language, teach your children to do the same and you are welcome. Native Americans? I have the utmost respect for you, your culture, history and teachings. But that will disappear if racism continues to be an issue. I'm polish with ancestors who faced the horrors of Aushwitz. Yes it was inhumane the treatment they went through, yes the Nazis are to blame. But do I at this moment EXPECT payment of some sort? No. What happened was a terrible block of history that cannot be changed by any amount of money/payment. My only consolation is that our present and future citizens learn from this tradegy that occured just as African Americans, Native Americans, Latinos ect...should learn. I realize not all minorities act like the rest of America owes them a debt. I'm just saying that those who do, ruin it for every single minority like them. Stop the whining crying you owe us for all the injustice we endured and get on with your life and stop living in the past. Stop looking for reasons to cry racism.

well we dont EXPECT anything except we wanted the treaties we were promised to be upheld, we would have liked to not have our land stolen, see you say people want to come to america then they should speak the language and learn the laws (and i completely agree with you there) well america was already inhabited when the first white people came here and they didnt uphold those standards.
other than that i do agree with your post.
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