why are some people so mad? (Bozeman: salary, law, legal)

[Elkman]

Amen JoeJoeMan! And I'm not even from Montana but I like what you say. Are you running in '08? Seems to me that there isn't a good man(or woman) to vote for but I guess my reply is best suited for the political forum. Anyways I applaude you JoeJoeMan, wish you were on the ballot. I'd bet this nation would be cleaned up real fast under your helm. We could use a nice good cleaning to last forever.

[rickynlevy]

I'm from South Carolina and I can understand whats going on here. We have the same exact problem.. Too many people wanting to move down and wanting to change things..

[Paasche209]

Like I said, I understand your position, I just don't think it's right to make someone who moves there feel uncomfortable or wrong for doing so. I lived in Montana for 2 years, just south of Helena. Montana is a beautiful place and has a very relaxed life style, plus my parents and brother live there. When I lived there I found the people to be extremely friendly even with them knowing I was from CA, with a few that hated me strictly for that, but that was only a few people. In all honestly, I am looking at more at Colorado than Montana, just because of the job situation. The thing is, the majority of Californians did do this to this state, but not ALL of us. Sadly, were outnumbered by liberals. But I don't think the situation in Montana is as serious as you think. Montana has less people in the whole state than in the city of San Francisco, and Montana is a very big state. Between all the bigger cities like Helena, Missoula, Great Falls, Bozeman, etc., is tons of BLM land. So I'd say there's quite a bit of room to accomodate for people to relocate there. You'd have to mulitiply the population by 40, or add about 39 million people to the state before it's another "California". All the building going on there is mostly by the state, because they want economic growth because it's profitable to them. I'm just saying that there's quite a bit of room there, more than enough to handle quite a bit more people and still have the same lifestyle. But like I said, I understand your point of view and respect that, but feel that you are wrong for making people who move there feel unwelcomed, so I guess we can just agree to disagree.

[beesweet]

This topic is really interesting to me because I can see both sides of the coin clearly. Although my roots have been firmly planted in PA for the last 30 years - I'm not a native like my other half. His family has lived within the same 15 miles for over 300 years. We both see that this area is changing for the worse and it's beyond our control. We live about 3 hrs. away from NYC and in another direction 3 hrs. from Philadelphia. The cities sprawl has reached out to us and is encroaching more and more every day.
PA is a big state too, and has many areas that aren't overpopulated but the cities are growing faster and faster. I'm originally from a small town in upstate NY - and it seems to be growing even faster up there.
I've seen over and over how people will move out here to the "country" and as soon as they get here want to make it just like the place that they came from. Believe it or not...we live in what once was (not too long ago) a very rural area. I've had neighbors that were raising a small amount of livestock for their own purposes that were forced to get rid of the livestock because the new neighbors complained about the odor and flies.
Consequently, we're thinking about a move to Montana. Hoping that we can find a place that we'll fit into - NOT make it fit around us. There's many steps to take before leaping into it, but we've decided to give it a good look.
Whether we're able to make the move or not, I hope that the people in Montana can prevent the same thing that's happening to us in PA, happen to them. Don't cherish the "gold" more than you cherish the open spaces and your freedoms.

[Elkman]

Watch out JoeJoeMan! If you thought the California migration to Montana was a problem before, with these latest fires and evacuations, I expect them to move out even faster than before. I expect the same for Idaho. But I'm beginning to think this California migration to Montana is just a phase that will pass. Sure they will migrate, drive up the home prices, and bring their California way of life and attitude, but I say 5-10 years of putting up with the cold temps when they are used to "Sunny California", I expect them to migrate elsewhere after trashing Montana and it's beauty.

[Mattie Jo]

Most Californians prefer the warm climate that they have. And so when they move they usually go to Oregon, NM, Arizona, and Nevada. They also like the big money. What other States get often is retirees. I see people coming on this forum and asking about money, and so if they have to ask, it means they want the big bucks.

JoeJoe should run for office, I agree. I wish someone like him lived here in Oklahoma to stop growth, but what we have going for us is that it is a very poor State, with very low wages, and very few jobs, and tornadoes. I don't mind CA coming to OK, but I do mind when they start building the malls, etc, and I do mind big business coming in. I would never have allowed a Walmart's where we live.

[Paasche209]

Originally Posted by Elkman

Watch out JoeJoeMan! If you thought the California migration to Montana was a problem before, with these latest fires and evacuations, I expect them to move out even faster than before. I expect the same for Idaho. But I'm beginning to think this California migration to Montana is just a phase that will pass. Sure they will migrate, drive up the home prices, and bring their California way of life and attitude, but I say 5-10 years of putting up with the cold temps when they are used to "Sunny California", I expect them to migrate elsewhere after trashing Montana and it's beauty.

I love how everyone has their predjudices about Californians. Just for your information, I hunt, fish, listen to country, wear clothes that fit me and do not have what you have descibed as a "California" attitude. I am NOT a tree hugging, bleeding heart liberal and I can't stand those who are. I don't surf, skate or know any movie stars. I work as a diesel mechanic for probably the same pay I would working in another state, and am not a white collar yuppie that would try to build a starbucks if I moved back to Montana. That's right, BACK to Montana, and I'm positive I didn't trash the state while I was there, and I loved the state exactly as it was, I strongly preferred the Mom and Pop shops the the big box stores, and I would have voted against any building of them. And I also lived in Minnesota for 2 years, and Montana's winter is nothing compared to Minnesota's, so that wouldn't drive me back out. What I can't stand is the HEAT in California, I absolutlely prefer the cold. I'm getting pretty sick of the way Californians are perceived as all the same kind of people, because there are a few of us still here that were raised right. So get your facts right before you pass judgement.

[truckingbronco]

I know alot of people who moved from MT to CA after high school and college, so it goes both ways. I left too and have yet to be treated like a disease by any of the locals. Besides, when I lived in MT I always noticed alot more people from TX and AZ moving in (not that there is anything wrong with them).

[Elkman]

There are a few exceptions, don't get me wrong but California has a bad reputation like you listed above. Your state is stereotyped. Just like the East Coast people.

[jandjblue]

There is people from all over moving here and most of us want to fit in not rewrite the rule book I have been here less than a year and plan on staying I work my wife teache's school here and this is now our home so like it or not were here to stay and we moved to get away from the invasion down south from mexico I hope were not seen that way