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Old 11-10-2008, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Flathead Valley
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It will be interesting to see what exactly happens. It is one thing to make campaign promises, and quite another to put country-wide restrictions in place. The concern about gun and ammo ownership has hit the local paper (DailyInterlake) and I just don't see how a president can take on the United States Constitution at this late date.

We'll see...Obama is a young guy without much experience as of yet. He may learn quite a bit from this job...."Why, hello western united states".
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Old 11-10-2008, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Montana
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I for one am happy about the election results. I don't consider myself a hippie liberal or an uber conservative, I'm somewhere in the middle. I did not make my decision lightly, but studied each candidate's history, their plan, and really watched how they handled themselves during time of crisis.

I think a lot of the fear about Obama comes from all of the buzz words like "socialist" and "share the wealth" that can sound awful until someone researches the root of where they came from.
To be fair... I distrust politicians equally.. I'm not saying I'd be any happier with the latter. It's just really hard to pick a party anymore.

Examples.. I'm not religious and don't like religion forced down my throat, but at the same time I don't want my kids in sex education classes when they are in kindergarten either. I have friends and acquaintances with all kinds of religious beliefs, and we all get along just fine.

I don't care if gay people get married or not. It's just none of my business.

When it comes to abortion, that's also none of my business unless it involves my family, and we talk about things before we make decisions about anything.

I like the idea of self protection, and have used firearms my entire life, and have had a concealed carry permit for over 10 years. I've never had to even point a weapon at someone, with the exception of when I was on deployment in the military.

I like to hunt and fish, and also enjoy riding ATVs and snowmobiles.

We work hard, and are tired of people gobbling up our money either by poor or (what I would call) dishonest business practices, or by milking the welfare system to get out of working. (What's so bad about a good days work anyway?)


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I have a feeling a lot of people who might be leery now of our new President will be pleasantly surprised when he takes office and makes some change. I don't think tax cuts for anyone in a middle income tax bracket is creating "hand outs", and I am looking forward to healthcare being made affordable for everyone.

Considering the median income in Montana is one of the lower ones in the country, and with such a large percentage of folks without medical care, I see his plan helping out a lot of people here.
I hope you are right!

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Sadly, I live in a very rural area, where the fear propaganda penetrated deeply. I overheard one lovely gentleman in the IGA tell everyone in line on election day "If THAT GUY gets elected, he's going to put a F*#*(king turban on his head and turn us into a third world country."

Um. Really?
Don't be sad that you live in a rural area! There is so much more fun stuff to do out here in the "sticks".

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That kind of stuff bothers me. It's insulting, and has nothing to do with the issues at hand facing our country. I'm excited to see what happens here in the next six months.
We had a guy pull up outside our shop last week with decals all over his camper talking about "Obama the Antichrist", I looked at his license plate and was relieved to see it was from out of state. This guy was touring the country passing out literature, and as cordial as we try to be, we kindly, but firmly asked him to be on his way.

There are nutjobs on both sides of things... so where is the peoples party? I know their are independants out their, but how do we make sure every cantidate gets a fair shake? It's because the budgets don't match the ideas... seems like it might be time for a revamp... just sayin'...

I hope there is a breath of fresh air coming, but I'm thinking it might be a hard winter this year for lots of folks.
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Old 11-10-2008, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Stillwater County, MT
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Don't be sad that you live in a rural area! There is so much more fun stuff to do out here in the "sticks".
Oh, I love living in a rural area... I have just noticed that a lot of the scarier stuff from the campaigns were taken a little more as the gospel truth here than they were in places where the dialogue was more open. A bit of hardheadedness, perhaps. Folks are set in their ways, and not jumping at the chance to look at new ideas.

Even with any quirks, I would not trade being in a small town for anything. Just being able to walk outside and see a creek, fields, trees and cows instead of row after row of houses is such a blessing.
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Old 11-11-2008, 03:20 AM
 
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I am not worried. But we have one of the best governors out there in my opinion. (could kick the Alaskan govs butt!!!) I trust him to keep big gov out of Montana.

Brian Schweitzer | American Hunters and Shooters Association



For anyone who doesn't know, the American Hunters and Shooters Association is not what it appears to be at face value. Quoting from the following site, "AHSA was created with the specific intent to provide political cover for anti-gun politicians by allowing them to claim support from a “sportsmen’s” group."

NRA-ILA :: American Hunters And Shooters Association: The Ultimate In Political Camouflage (http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=232&issue=011 - broken link)

Last edited by Gman2007; 11-11-2008 at 03:22 AM.. Reason: editing
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Old 11-11-2008, 03:30 AM
 
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Maybe I haven't been paying as close attention as I thought...
but I don't particularly remember Obama talking about Gun Control in his campaign. As a matter of fact, I don't see it listed in his list of issues on his site:
Barack Obama and Joe Biden: The Change We Need | Policy Issues
I do however find some info here:
Gun Control: 2008 contenders' views
and his quotes are directly here: Barack Obama on Gun Control

From what I can tell, and maybe I'm just too trusting... it sounds like he supports the individual right to bear arms, and is going to leave it up to cities and states beyond that.

Sounds pretty good to me. Moreover, you all might want to remember that Obama TAUGHT Constitutional law for years before turning to politics. I'm pretty sure the guy has a decent grasp on what was going on there.
It's in vogue these days for political candidates to state they are for the individual right to bear arms. To not state that is policitical death in most areas at this time. But as we know, what the politician says and what they actual mean are two separate things. We can though look at a politician's past voting record and more in-depth comments to see how they really feel on issues such as the right to bear arms.
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Old 11-11-2008, 08:51 AM
 
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Everybody is missing what is truly frightening: Congress led by pelosi, scum boy schumer, reid and other lunatics. At least Obama seems stable and sane. The congress is led by people who are neither stable nor sane.
Congress will try to pass some nutty bills and then try to force them down the throat of Obama. I am more afraid of congress than Obama. Obama is nothing but a diversion to take the blame for what congress will try to do.
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Old 11-11-2008, 09:29 AM
 
Location: SoCalif
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Obama is what? Please tell me a single time he has ACTED in what most would regard as mainstream, traditional ways? Just one? One?

People stuck in their ways unwilling to try new ideas? Socialism/Marxism, you name the ism has been tried innumerable times. Most anyone who has studied economics or political systems know the end game on that.

How about this Civilian Security apparatus that he has mentioned. If a Republican had suggested such a thing the ACLU would have been screaming on every media site.

Notice pulling this global warming, oopppss climate change shibbolith out as an excuse to do everything from cooperate planning with intrnational economies to fund bailouts of every imaginable shape and form.

Honestly since November 4th I've felt like I've awakened to a Red Dawn (bad movie about a takeover of the US).

This has become No Country for Old Men.
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Old 11-11-2008, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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Everybody is missing what is truly frightening: Congress led by pelosi, scum boy schumer, reid and other lunatics. At least Obama seems stable and sane. The congress is led by people who are neither stable nor sane.
I read parts of Obama's most recent book. He is neither sane nor stable; he's a narcissist-type schizophrenic, driven by emotional baggage from his father. I've worked up-close and personal with the type, and once you twig to what they're like, they're easy to spot, even secondhand. (Just in case you think I'm full of it, two that I've nailed secondhand have since been committed.)

They're not necessarily dangerous (the programming, math, and physics fields are loaded with schiz types) but to them, life is all about pigeonholing EVERYTHING (forcing everything to fit in black/white, on/off categories; no shades of grey allowed), and relationships are all about manipulation. And they need to be the center of attention while ensuring that no one can SEE them make a mistake (which is a very stressful way to live). Think of how kids are in their early teens, and you've got it. (All kids go thru this stage; normal kids outgrow it.)

Unfortunately, a general failure to grow up seems to permeate the Democratic Party's leadership at this point -- Pelosi, Feinstein, Boxer, and the like are fine examples of that. Not that the Republicans are immune to lunacy, but they're not in charge right now, either. We and our children will have to live with the fallout from this election, which took most of the brakes off the government.

The Founding Fathers designed our gov't to work against itself, to discourage rapid change, and to prevent changes from being made without forcing everyone involved to really consider all aspects and how it affects everyone. But right now we don't have that brake in place.... be prepared for a bumpy ride.

FROOMB!

(Fluid's Running Out Of My Brakes -- caption on a 1940s political cartoon depicting the world riding in a runaway vehicle)
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Old 11-11-2008, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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Honestly since November 4th I've felt like I've awakened to a Red Dawn (bad movie about a takeover of the US).

This has become No Country for Old Men.
Agree with you entirely. I went to bed a Citizen, and woke up a Komrade.
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Old 11-11-2008, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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For anyone who doesn't know, the American Hunters and Shooters Association is not what it appears to be at face value. Quoting from the following site, "AHSA was created with the specific intent to provide political cover for anti-gun politicians by allowing them to claim support from a “sportsmen’s” group."

NRA-ILA :: American Hunters And Shooters Association: The Ultimate In Political Camouflage (http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=232&issue=011 - broken link)
Good info, thanks. Does the Governor know this? If not, someone on the spot should take it upon themselves to educate him.

This sort of camouflage has become the norm among radical groups that are working to take away your constitutional rights. The deceptively-named "Humane Society of the United States" is another prime example.
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