Montanas Happy About Obama? [Please don't move my post out of Montana!!!]

[Reziac]

Originally Posted by Timberwolf232

IMO that's true.. There are many that DO support the eroding of our rights. If you look at government as a business, the more they make people think they need to rely on government, the more they can TAX them.

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.

-- an expansion of Alexis de Tocqueville's 1835 writing, the original of which reads:

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."

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Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage. -- Henning Webb Prentis, Jr, 1943

[for those interested: the history of the above oft-conflated quotes]

Historians will recognise the exact same pattern that led to the fall of the Roman Empire -- until that point one of the longest-lived and most stable governments in the history of mankind.

[NorthPoleMarathoner]

Originally Posted by Reziac

And if the Bush era's Patriot Act is so heinous (which it is) then why haven't the wholly-Dem-controlled Congress and POTUS yet killed it? To the contrary, Obama has expanded its scope! Gee, could it be that maybe they actually SUPPORT eroding our rights, so long as they're the ones doing the eroding??

LOLs. I remember telling the neo-cons that nationalizing airport security was nothing more than socialism. They laughed. Of course, when the Dems nationalize the auto industry (which they did with Chrysler's "bankruptcy") the same neo-cons call it socialism.

When the Dems get caught abusing the Patriot Act the neo-cons will act all surprised. It will never occur to them that they should've never passed it in the first place.

And how come the Dems haven't overturned any of the Bush economic policies? If that is supossedly what got us in this mess we should just be able to overturn them and then everthing will be peachy again. Just like when Clinton was in charge of the economy. LOLs.

And the Repubs were against nation building in Bosnia and Kosovo but for it in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Dems were for nation building in Bosnia and Kosovo and against it in Iraq and Afghanistan from 2002-2008. Now they are for it.

[bigskydude]

Great nations are doomed to fail, as history has taught us, over and over again.

What we do, as friends and neighbors, across this union of states, will determine the eventual outcome, and severity, of our new forming socialist state.

I'm convinced, beyond doubt, that we ceased to be a republic, run by a federalist gov, many, many years ago.

It is also a fact of history, that nations, as large as this, never remain under a centralized governing authority once the changes are fully realized. We may become an assortment of nation states in the end, with each, governing, under various degrees of a socialistic or federalist design.

This change will cover all aspects of our political system. The radical left or right might do well to be careful what they wish for or promote.

In the end, it will be up to folks like you and me to determine just which type of governing authority we will accept. This most current form of central government is unacceptable in my opinion. Our central government has been so out of touch, for so long, that there isn't any way, short of dissolution, to get back on track with the people.

Paying lip service to our constituion over these many years has eroded our governments credibility beyond repair. Even Nobama has indicated that they are suffering from a credibility crisis among the states.

It's not an easy thing, this business of operating government without the trust of it's constituents, but here we are, married to a government that chooses to stumble blindly along, totally ignorant of their surroundings and unwilling to admit that they are running down the path to spectacular failure.

As Americans, we will one day, find ourselves, divorcing the perverted policies of both the whacko-left and the whacko-right. A full 80% of us "normal every day" folks will eventually find "our" way, on "our" own, and with a little luck, and a lesson learned, we'll do just fine.

[Haakon]

Originally Posted by popeels2you

Haakon,

Sorry..... since you posted in the MT board, I assumed you were from MT and you were referring to the Dem Gov in MT who just signed the best self defense bill in the US! Don't know anything about the WA Gov. Is WA a beter place for a conservative Libertarian to live VS. MT? How is the job market inthe smaller towns for blue collar guys <plumbers>?

Sadly I don't live in MT, maybe someday. I've visited, camped, backpacked, fished, in MT several times, terrific state.

I think MT is probably better for a conservative libertarian than WA. WA is very liberal in most things, there are a number of conservatives but we're grossly outnumbered and the elected officials show it. They even managed to install their governor after she lost an election and 2 recounts. Apparently in King County if you count the ballots enough times you get your way - if you're a dem.

I don't know for sure, but I'd think the job market for a plumber here could be pretty good. There is still a lot of new construction going on, someone has to plumb all these new houses.

[Timberwolf232]

Originally Posted by bigskydude

Great nations are doomed to fail, as history has taught us, over and over again.

I believe that as long as there are still good people, willing to stand for whats right against even death, that our country can live on..

I'm no scholar or historian, but it seems to me that the great nations that have failed in history have fallen because good people did nothing to prevent their nations collapse.

[bigskydude]

Originally Posted by Timberwolf232

I believe that as long as there are still good people, willing to stand for whats right against even death, that our country can live on..

I'm no scholar or historian, but it seems to me that the great nations that have failed in history have fallen because good people did nothing to prevent their nations collapse.

As there were good people of the Grecian, Roman, and Mayan Empires to name just a few.

All of these failed for various reasons. Government corruption, war, famine ... They all failed and left good people no other alternative but to carry on without their central governments.

Good people, who are not a part of the decision making processes of their central government are powerless to effect any kind of good change.

There are millions of great folks scattered all over this country, that will eventually be forced to make some pretty hard decisions. Our central government is not in the position to do the right thing, and hasn't been for years.

The day will come when it will be up to us to do the right thing, and instead of turning to the central government for our help, we'll be turning to each other.

As with the Roman Empire, our nation will live on in all of it's various geopolitical parts, full of good people, who would be governing themselves as they feel they should.

[Timberwolf232]

Originally Posted by bigskydude

As there were good people of the Grecian, Roman, and Mayan Empires to name just a few.

All of these failed for various reasons. Government corruption, war, famine ... They all failed and left good people no other alternative but to carry on without their central governments.

Good people, who are not a part of the decision making processes of their central government are powerless to effect any kind of good change.

There are millions of great folks scattered all over this country, that will eventually be forced to make some pretty hard decisions. Our central government is not in the position to do the right thing, and hasn't been for years.

The day will come when it will be up to us to do the right thing, and instead of turning to the central government for our help, we'll be turning to each other.

As with the Roman Empire, our nation will live on in all of it's various geopolitical parts, full of good people, who would be governing themselves as they feel they should.

Good post. I guess I'm thinking of a nation as it's people, with or without the central government.

Like I said... I'm no historian, but I do love my country.

[Stephan_K]

Originally Posted by bigskydude

There are millions of great folks scattered all over this country, that will eventually be forced to make some pretty hard decisions. Our central government is not in the position to do the right thing, and hasn't been for years.

The day will come when it will be up to us to do the right thing, and instead of turning to the central government for our help, we'll be turning to each other.

Just wish that day would get here sooner than later...

[JoeMama2009]

Montana sounds like Libertarian paradise! There are patriots coming out of the woodwork everywhere though. Anybody in Montana go to the April, 15th 2009 Tea Party? Over 5,000 people rallied the State Capitol in Olympia, WA - the largest protest ever!

Is the Alex Jones Show broadcast live anywhere in Montana? Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!


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[seven of nine]

Who writes this stuff?
And I am no uncle O fan.