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Old 03-13-2009, 07:21 PM
 
Location: NW MT
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Reziac... come again ? What's $150 a barrel ? I think I'm missing something...
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Old 03-13-2009, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Where the mountains touch the sky
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You guys are missing the main point of the refined vegtable oil/fat equation.

Glycerine.

Glycerine is refined from the oil and is used in soap and cosmetics. That is where the money is.

When you use the ethenol wash system to creat bio-diesel one of the primary by products is glycerine which can be sold to refiners while you use the bio diesel in your engine of choice.
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Old 03-13-2009, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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Whoops, bad math, don't type before dinner... 8 cents a pound is about $24/barrel, at around 300 lbs. for 55 gallons. (I don't know what math I was using earlier, musta been California math.) But it's still a good deal of money if you've got a truckload of 'em.

As Silvertip says, there's always more money in refined products... hadn't thought about the glycerine content, but it's the base for soap and such. If you can sell what amounts to your refinery garbage to someone else who makes money with it, why not?!
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Old 03-13-2009, 11:39 PM
 
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Never thought about selling the by product... What's it worth roughly ?
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Old 03-13-2009, 11:59 PM
 
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Check out the prices on glycerine at CLP Chemicals Online Store for Bulk Glycerin (http://www.clpchem.com/catalog/index.php - broken link)
Didn't think old fat was worth so much did you?

Cheapest I see advertised on this site is 5 gallons for $299. Makes it work refining doesn't it?
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Old 03-14-2009, 12:30 AM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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Check out the prices on glycerine at CLP Chemicals Online Store for Bulk Glycerin (http://www.clpchem.com/catalog/index.php - broken link)
Didn't think old fat was worth so much did you?

Cheapest I see advertised on this site is 5 gallons for $299. Makes it work refining doesn't it?
If you buy 275 gallons at a whack, you can get it for the bargain basement price of $13/gallon!!

Dunno why it's so pricey, tho -- acto Glycerol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, there's a glut in the market thanks to the biodiesel industry.
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Old 03-14-2009, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Where the mountains touch the sky
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Glycerin is used in a lot of applications.
Soap, paint, cosmetics, plastics and explosives for a start.

Nitro-glycerin = dynamite.

Also a base in other explosives such as some Plastik explosives. With 2 wars going on, we go through a lot. Don't forget specialty fuels for rockets or propellents for launchers.

In the plastics market, what can you buy these days that doesn't have plastic of one kind or another in it?

There is quite a bit of glycerin produced, but a lot is used too. How much plastic would you imagine China and India use? The prices are set by world demand, and a lot of people use soap and cosmetics.

I don't set the price on it, but I don't complain if the price is good either.

If more bio-diesel is produced, and glycerin as a by product, the price will probably drop as supply and demand equilize. Then you may be able to buy it for $10.00 a gallon!!
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Old 09-09-2010, 03:50 PM
 
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We have a vacation cabin in the Columbus (Stillwater County) area and have installed a solar system which generates 1400 watts in good weather - plenty for our uses. We have a little trouble in the winter when it snows, but if we are careful, we can get by. Total cost was about $12,000, including panels, inverter, charge controller and batteries. The best thing -- no electric bills! I just talked with Beartooth about the cost of bringing service to our area, just out of curiousity, and it was prohibitive. If you can deal with the upfront cost, solar is definitely the way to go.
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Old 09-09-2010, 07:41 PM
 
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We have a vacation cabin in the Columbus (Stillwater County) area and have installed a solar system which generates 1400 watts in good weather - plenty for our uses. We have a little trouble in the winter when it snows, but if we are careful, we can get by. Total cost was about $12,000, including panels, inverter, charge controller and batteries. The best thing -- no electric bills! I just talked with Beartooth about the cost of bringing service to our area, just out of curiousity, and it was prohibitive. If you can deal with the upfront cost, solar is definitely the way to go.
Solar is awesome if you can adjust to the lifestyle....... And $12K for a 1400 watt system...... I think you got robbed a bit ! Can't imagine what you have extra and/or indifferent that would increase the price so much.

Sun Electric has complete 3700 watt systems for $10,500.00. Hell, their 1640 watt system is only $5500. All the bits, pieces and extras are included with all of them too. You can put together your own system loosing some of the extras that aren't really necessary and get the price down another 5%-10%.
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Old 09-10-2010, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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I just noticed there's an RV parked in a field about a mile from me that has what appears to be a portable wind generator -- a windmill that's maybe 25 feet high (so doesn't require any permits). I'll have to stop by and ask 'em about it, if I can figure out which goat track leads to the place.

(It can't be the goat track I was on at the time, you'd never get an RV down that one!)
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