Nais (Missoula: school, inspector, tax)

[Morganpony]

So what do you think of the Nat'l Animal Identification System?

Would you continue to raise/keep livestock/pets if this passes?

[rickers]

Maybe we should have a Missoula hippie identification system !

[mtboy]

I don't much care for this. It's a big scam in which someone in washington has a buddy that owns a company that makes these sensor's and now they want to make every farmer ID his animal. Seems to me this will be a big waste of money, time, and resources. This would be another gov't program which doesn't work and doesn't get you anywhere, but costs working farmers,ranchers, and producers $. And eventually this $ would get passed down to the consumer. So I guess it would be just like many other gov't program that does nothing and costs taxpayers $. Just my opinion.


The gov't needs to learn how to walk first before it can run. Right now is not the time they need to be talking about this stuff, I think there is more important things to take care of.

[Reziac]

What mtboy said. This is partly Big-Brother intrusiveness, and partly a scam by animal rights groups to make sure they can track and SEIZE any animal at any time.

Lots more info: NoNAIS.org

[mtlogger]

Not only tag but tax too!

[Reziac]

The estimated minimum cost per animal is about $5.00 for the ID chip itself.

Triple that and you'll have about what it will cost in the consumer market.

$5 isn't a lot relative to the cost of one beef cow (tho when your profit is only about $40 per head, $5 suddenly adds up to a lot of money), and the $15 or so after overhead would probably be about a dollar a pound added to the cost of beef. But it's a killer relative to the cost of chickens -- that $4 frying chicken now costs $19 at retail.

And the real kicker is that the big corporate producers are exempt. NAIS applies ONLY to small producers, family farms that are already having trouble making it, and stuff like 4-H (yes, your 4-H lamb or rabbit is covered by NAIS).

NAIS would require that every time you move a pet rabbit to another cage, you have to record it, and if you fail to do so and an inspector happens to catch you, it's a violation and fine. Every time your kid rides his pony down to the neighbour's place -- same thing. Every time you take your dog hunting or hiking -- same thing.

It's a ridiculous bureaucracy that is DESIGNED to be impossible to comply with. It is DESIGNED to put small producers out of business and to increase costs to mid-range producers. Corporates and ARs will love it, of course, since it eliminates competition and reduces one whole segment of animal use and ownership.

[Timberwolf232]

Originally Posted by rickers

Maybe we should have a Missoula hippie identification system !

Ha! they already have their own ID system, you can smell them from 5 miles away!

[Timberwolf232]

Originally Posted by Reziac

What mtboy said. This is partly Big-Brother intrusiveness, and partly a scam by animal rights groups to make sure they can track and SEIZE any animal at any time.

Lots more info: NoNAIS.org

Agreed.. I'm not for tracking most living things, with the exception of Rattlesnakes. I met a guy who catches them, puts a radio tag on them and then finds the dens and burns them out, or moves them. Pretty interesting stuff.

Although I recognize the Rattler as an important part of our ecosystem, I was bit when I was 16 while rock climbing and the Dr. said it must have struck something else before me or I would surely have died. It got me in the shoulder and I killed it by grabbing it and smashing it into the rock face, and then brought it with me to the ER. It only had one rattle. (I still have it.)

MISERABLE experience. I was black and blue from my shoulder to my wrist, down the left side of my chest, and even up the left side of my face to my ear. I remember feeling cold in the July heat and almost passing out on the drive to the ER. When I started school the following fall, the other kids called me smurf because I was still black and blue a month and a half later.

Track and bag as many rattlers as you want! If I see them I usually kill em, for right or wrong. It's been a couple years since I've seen one, but this guy ALWAYS has a snake bite kit in the backcountry or on the job.