Montana relocation: resentment toward newcomers (Missoula, Polson: new home, living, fence)

[GiftShoppeGuy]

Originally Posted by jimj

Not quite correct, while I did come here it was from the south to begin with and rented until I found a house but I did grow up in CA. Since then I've been in and out of this state to other states a few times. Not a speculator,developer,certainly not a realtor and the only developement I've done is on one (1) house. Never owned more that 2 acres (current) so there is no way people could be unhappy much less even know who I am.
I am not for or against developement, I take it on a case by case basis. I don't like to run around screaming all developement is bad becasue that is not true and you sound like a radical nut doing that, just as not all developement is good. As for speculation. everybody who buys realestate is a speculator. No one buys a house expecting it will go down in value since eventually it will be sold.

I am beginning to see that there are some things that we can agree on.

We own land, but it was passed down to us, and I've only bought two properties myself outright in 50 years....

Montana serves up the best and the worst in most cases.
There are places here where one income would suffice, and other places that would swallow up 3 incomes and the bills still wouldn't be paid.

We do have our own good share of politically activated college students though, who, through blinders, would complain about the moon if it didn't come around at the right time.

Statistics are just that... statistics.... they aren't wholly precise, that's why we call them statistics.

Reading books and statistics are all fine and well, but living out here in the real world, apart from all of those books and statistics, is usually where things get done.

I could never see what the problem was really, (unless we've become so ungawdly selfish and self serving), about youngsters not being able to buy a house....

When my eldest son got married, I signed on a loan for him and his new Mrs. to get a house.... just like my Dad did for me, and His for him.

I'm of the opinion that it's not so much times changing, as it is that we are changing.

I remember my Dad, griping about the cost of groceries clear back in the 50's..and that the $50.00 a month mortgage was just outrageous.
... So what's changed?... Nothing that I can think of right off hand, other than the fact that life is going to be as tough as nails for anyone who wishes for it to be... and those of us that get off the duff and gets a little work done will fair better than that.

Oh sure.... I remember that I just had to have that brand new 1959 Chrysler, and ended up having to settle for a 1948 Ford truck..... oooooh that hurt me soooo.... but I made it through..... I'm still here..... alive and well.... and so on and so forth.

And yet....to this day.... even I complain about the cost of groceries, just like Dad did, and quite possibly like his Dad did too.

So, statistics will never give anyone a very clear picture of just exactly what's going on.

[sweetmemorypic]

awesome point. I'm looking to relocate to Montana for the beauty and simplicity of it all. I'm single with one teen son that works like a bulldozer and I would like an environment to help that grow. Any suggestions on a small piece of land out of the way so that maybe my neighbor will wave when I pass by would be nice. send to sweetmemorypic@hotmail.com

[JENJEN3565]

How discouraging your posts are, as I am sure you have intended them. I grew up as one of the other members stated, in a very small Northern California town on a wildlife refuge in the country and also on a mountain ladden state park where I roamed free and happy in the woods for hours but have since had to relocate to "the city limits" I find it sickening that Montana residents are ill towards people like me from California, thinking of relocating to Montana to find once again what I grew up in and give my small son a chance to experience what I feel life should be in the mountains, instead of subjecting him to the drug infested community that is our present day city. And I'm wrong for wanting that? Sickening really, the responses on here. To think you are noble and different because you were in Montana "first"???? If that's the case then I guess you should actually be giving the land back to the people who were truly there first.....Native Americans....which I happen to be. You can keep your state and your close mindedness.

[xaun]

Originally Posted by talibkwali

Hamilton never gave in. They and we fought walmart as much as we could. In the end, walmart just has more lawyers.

I sopport you 100% never give up!

[JoeJoeMan]

JenJen wrote:

How discouraging your posts are, as I am sure you have intended them. I grew up as one of the other members stated, in a very small Northern California town on a wildlife refuge in the country and also on a mountain ladden state park where I roamed free and happy in the woods for hours but have since had to relocate to "the city limits" I find it sickening that Montana residents are ill towards people like me from California, thinking of relocating to Montana to find once again what I grew up in and give my small son a chance to experience what I feel life should be in the mountains, instead of subjecting him to the drug infested community that is our present day city. And I'm wrong for wanting that? Sickening really, the responses on here. To think you are noble and different because you were in Montana "first"???? If that's the case then I guess you should actually be giving the land back to the people who were truly there first.....Native Americans....which I happen to be. You can keep your state and your close mindedness.

The point Jenjen is....that we are trying to protect what you lost, so that our children can experience it.
Point two.......I don't think you have to move all the way to Montana to find a quite and safe place to live.....
I think what happens in people's thought process is that they think the farther they move away from where they are and the problems associated with it then the better it will be....as such they pick 'MONTANA' For example we see folks from the east coast wanting to move all the way out here, yet there are thousands upon thousands of small quite communities and areas closer to them, there's no need to move all the way out here to find such places.
Montana seems to hold this fictional alure.....romantisized in books and movies, (won't mention any names)
So Jenjen, it's not that we are mean to outsiders or have the "we were here first attitude".....it's just that we want to preserve what we have left before it is to late, large portions of the state like western montana are already lost, sadly, the housing development, sprawl, strip stores, big box stores, traffic, congestion, crime... It has happened in so many other places and people flee it, we don't want anymore of it here. We just want to preserve the peacefull life you lost and now want to re-find.

[jenzebel]

Originally Posted by JENJEN3565

How discouraging your posts are, as I am sure you have intended them. I grew up as one of the other members stated, in a very small Northern California town on a wildlife refuge in the country and also on a mountain ladden state park where I roamed free and happy in the woods for hours but have since had to relocate to "the city limits" I find it sickening that Montana residents are ill towards people like me from California, thinking of relocating to Montana to find once again what I grew up in and give my small son a chance to experience what I feel life should be in the mountains, instead of subjecting him to the drug infested community that is our present day city. And I'm wrong for wanting that? Sickening really, the responses on here. To think you are noble and different because you were in Montana "first"???? If that's the case then I guess you should actually be giving the land back to the people who were truly there first.....Native Americans....which I happen to be. You can keep your state and your close mindedness.

Well I am part Native American too so I'll give it back to part of myself.

[gutshot_again]

Originally Posted by Gulskjegg

We originally chose Cut Bank MT for its proximity to our ultimate destination, Calgary Alberta. We hated Cut Bank, and Cut Bank hated us.

Due to a myriad of reasons, (general breakdown of the American family, poor economy, bad government from top to bottom, drug use, corruption, etc etc) those places with less then 10,000 people are not just "less desirable".

Bull****. You come into a small town with a superior attitude, tell everyone how backward they are, how great it was from where you came from and what do you expect?

Move to a small town, accept things as they are and refrain from telling us how things could be so much better and you'll be fine.

Sounds like you need to learn how to get along with people.

[snugglebump]

LOL Jenzebel i'm part native too and some of these posts are so amusing. Thanks for keeping me busy at 4am with insomnia ya'll (how do i make them cute happy faces hmm)

[jenzebel]

Originally Posted by snugglebump

LOL Jenzebel i'm part native too and some of these posts are so amusing. Thanks for keeping me busy at 4am with insomnia ya'll (how do i make them cute happy faces hmm)

Hey snugglebump...you seriously don't you have all those smiley faces next to the message box?

[snugglebump]

I don't see the smiley box but when I just type it out then it seems to want to come up I wonder why my box doesnt show up hmph!:P