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Old 06-06-2010, 11:08 AM
 
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Montana Iceboater looking for a drylake bed in Montana suitable for landsailing.

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A few of us have wheel conversion kits for our iceboats

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When the ice melts we travel far to drylake beds in Oregon and Nevada to sail at. Myself and another iceboater are going to compete at the Worlds in De Panne Belgium this coming October

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We are looking for a place to tune our boats and train that is in State.
Years back I sailed at a small dry lake bed in Kevin MT.. It was a bit on the soft side and some what small. We are looking at a place called Big Lake or one of the surrounding lakes that appear to be dry on google maps near
Geraldine out of Great Falls.

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Any advice or tips would be appreciated.


YouTube - ST49s @ Canyon Ferry


YouTube - Landsailing ST49s/ Class III @ America's Cup 2010

Thanks
John

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Old 06-07-2010, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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Montana Iceboater looking for a drylake bed in Montana suitable for landsailing.

A few of us have wheel conversion kits for our iceboats
That sounds like fun -- do tell us more about it!!
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Old 06-07-2010, 08:57 PM
 
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Montana has some of the best iceboating areas in North America. The most popular place is Canyon Ferry near Townsend. The wind can be a bit fickle there though. West wind has a difficult time blowing there. Freezeout lake in Fairfield has alot of wind but is a bit small. I've sailed on those lakes as well as Flathead lake and FortPeck res and few other small ones in the Flathead Valley. Initially I grew up in S. Cal.. I learned to landsail as a kid in the 70's. I moved to MT. 15 years ago and enjoy iceboating every winter. I have introduced many of the local iceboaters to landsailing. There are about a half dozen of us that have converted our iceboats into landsailers for sailing on dry lake beds.
I build all my own boats. I've been featured in Wooden Boat magazine and have been sailing on a Old Milwaukee beer commercial and was on MTV Sports in the 80's. I'm one of the few people using solid wings rather than a soft sail. I sell some kits for a one design wing boat that is catching on through out the US as seen in the previous video. via the internet through my web site. Last March we had our first class racing in a regatta called the Americas Cup of Landsailing. I hope to spread my design to Europe when I compete in the Worlds in Belgium next fall. Landsailing in Europe is very popular compared to the US. In fact in France it is subsidized by the Government as school curriculum. France, Belgium, Germany, Holland, Ireland and the UK. are the most popular places. They mostly sail on the beach during low tide. Iceboating is more of a Midwest and North East thing. Canada, Sweden, Poland, and Russia are other places around the world. I've heard the Russian Army subsidize a few specific iceboats and skippers as well. This is a picture of me in my boat Wingnut lll.
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Old 06-07-2010, 10:13 PM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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Fun info. I think I'd like to try it. Landsailing doesn't sound nearly as cold as iceboating. But come to think of it, any reason you couldn't convert your wheels to runners and do it in snow?

How do soft sail and wings compare, for what you can do, control, speed, whatever else might be?

I was about to holler POST PICTURES! when I got to where it apparently didn't work ... you need more posts before you can put a live link in your posts, not sure about pics. Check the "Go Advanced" button for more tools like for image uploads, which I cannot remember offhand how to do but if you click enough buttons it'll become evident.
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Old 06-08-2010, 07:50 AM
 
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The snow is very slow. You need smooth hard ice. good iceboating conditions are a rare. I made an album with some pictures on this site since I can't post links yet.
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Old 06-08-2010, 07:55 AM
 
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The wings work very well. They are usually at the top of the fleet if made and sailed correctly. It will be interesting to use it on the beach in Belgium. I had to get permission to use a soild wing because they don't use them for racing in Europe. Most of the Euro's I talked to said it won't work. I've never raced on a narrow beach before along with 46 other boats in my class.
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Old 06-08-2010, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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http://www.city-data.com/forum/membe...ceboating.html for anyone having trouble finding it. Nifty pictures. The slick needle-shaped ones with the narrow sail look like alien invaders.
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Old 06-08-2010, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Where the mountains touch the sky
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Right after WWII, some folks in Boulder make snowskimmers similar to swamp buggies used in the Everglades.
They took surplus airplane engines and props, hooked them onto a flat bottomed boat affair, and used to run them in the Boulder Valley. From what I heard they could really go!!

I see the Ice Boats all the time on Canyon Ferrry when Ice fishing. The wind may be capricious, but it is powerful. One time, (when I was dumb enough to do it) I took my pickup out on the ice. The wind came up and was blowing my truck sideways down the lake

Don't do that kind of thing anymore, I can walk out far enough to fish without having to chase my vehicle across the lake
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Old 06-08-2010, 01:03 PM
 
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Canyon Ferry winds can get high at times especially when a front is coming through. A buddy of mine saw a ice shanty blowing down the lake on one particular day . One guy bailed out and another was inside its doorway with a panicked look on his face just a sliding down wind on the ice. I've seen my share of vehicles go through the ice. It usually happens around the expansion cracks.
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Old 06-08-2010, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
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Have you ventured into South Dakota?

When I was a kid, dad used to drop us off in Silver City. We'd be on ice skates and take off. He would drive 19 miles back to the face of Pactola to pick us up. We'd usually beat him there.

We'd take our coats and unzip and hold it above our arms. The wind would push us down the lake. Not sure what speed it was but sometimes it would get wicked. haha
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