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Old 04-23-2014, 01:03 AM
 
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And while Anglophones are a minority, they've got two universities, an entire hospital system, primary and secondary education in their language if they want to. Meanwhile the millions of Francophones outside of Quebec have nowhere near as many options.
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All those institutions were built in a very different time in Quebecs history, a time when the Anglophone demographic was much more powerful and was the major contributing factor in Quebecs economic engine a time when there were a lot more Anglophones in the area.

As an example McGill University
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Sir John William Dawson, McGill's principal from 1855 to 1893, is often credited with transforming the school into a modern university.[30] He recruited the aid of Montreal's wealthiest citizens (eighty percent of Canada's wealth was then controlled by families who lived within the Golden Square Mile area that surrounded the university), many of whom donated property and funding needed to construct the campus buildings.
If the francophone demographic outside Quebec want such infrastructures then build em..

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Old 04-23-2014, 03:49 AM
 
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Are you saying that we are second class citizen in Quebec? Many Anglophones here fell the same.
That is not what I am saying at all. Non-francophone kids can also be denied access to French-language schools in other parts of Canada as well.

The Canadian Constitution says that minority language schools (English in Quebec, French outside Quebec) are for members of the minority linguistic communities only, and I can tell you for a fact that non-francophones are denied access to French schools all over the country all the time - even people who are Canadian citizens.
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Old 04-23-2014, 03:52 AM
 
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Anyway, this topic is on how to help (allophone) kids in Quebec have English education, if you have no idea on that, please spare us from your moral lessons. Merci!
No the topic here was originally about francophone kids having access to English schools in Quebec.

As for the question of allophone kids getting access to English schools, it's already been addressed here at length and all questions have been answered and options put on the table.

Beyond that you are just driving an anti-Quebec political agenda.
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Old 04-23-2014, 04:01 AM
 
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All those institutions were built in a very different time in Quebecs history, a time when the Anglophone demographic was much more powerful and was the major contributing factor in Quebecs economic engine a time when there were a lot more Anglophones in the area.

As an example McGill University
If the francophone demographic outside Quebec want such infrastructures then build em..
This glosses over the issue completely.

First of all, all of the anglo institutions in Quebec have been operationally funded and public in nature for more than 50 years. Most have been greatly expanded by the government since then. Many (think of all the CEGEPs for example) have been created by the provincial government since that time.)

As for francophone institutions, well in spite of the fact that this community was socio-economically disadvantaged, they did create some, but in many cases they were taken over the provinces and switched over to English. Only a small number of institutions founded by minority francophones in Canada remain francophone today.
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Old 04-23-2014, 04:53 AM
 
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This glosses over the issue completely.

First of all, all of the anglo institutions in Quebec have been operationally funded and public in nature for more than 50 years. Most have been greatly expanded by the government since then. Many (think of all the CEGEPs for example) have been created by the provincial government since that time.)

As for francophone institutions, well in spite of the fact that this community was socio-economically disadvantaged, they did create some, but in many cases they were taken over the provinces and switched over to English. Only a small number of institutions founded by minority francophones in Canada remain francophone today.

All CEGEPs are open to all francophones and as a consequence some Angophones are excluded from English CEGEPs because there is no space.

As for failed francophone institutions outside Quebec? its all about the numbers., you cant really expect francophone institutions to be built where there are not enough francophones to support such ventures.

(eighty percent of Canada's wealth was then controlled by families who lived within the Golden Square Mile area that surrounded the McGill university)
,A stat i never knew, it certainly does show just how powerful Montreal once was and why there are so many Anglo institutions still remaining, Montreal was once the major economic force driving Canada
then the separatists came along and all the power and money moved elsewhere.. kind of a shame.
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Old 04-23-2014, 07:25 AM
 
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All CEGEPs are open to all francophones and as a consequence some Angophones are excluded from English CEGEPs because there is no space.

As for failed francophone institutions outside Quebec? its all about the numbers., you cant really expect francophone institutions to be built where there are not enough francophones to support such ventures.

(eighty percent of Canada's wealth was then controlled by families who lived within the Golden Square Mile area that surrounded the McGill university)
,A stat i never knew, it certainly does show just how powerful Montreal once was and why there are so many Anglo institutions still remaining, Montreal was once the major economic force driving Canada
then the separatists came along and all the power and money moved elsewhere.. kind of a shame.
Yeah, well... being a dominant and favoured minority surrounded by lots of resources and the ample cheap labour provided by a large majority impoverished population of a different ethnic background is always gonna be good for your bottom line!
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Old 04-23-2014, 10:18 AM
 
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Yeah, well... being a dominant and favoured minority surrounded by lots of resources and the ample cheap labour provided by a large majority impoverished population of a different ethnic background is always gonna be good for your bottom line!
The dominant and favored minority i'll presume you are referring to the English, Wonder how they got to be the dominant minority? you dont supposed they actually worked to achieve that status?
And i'll presume your majority impoverished population would be the poor hard done by francophone population who for some reason never rose to the challenge to make something of themselves in the new land and were quite happy being the hapless impoverished underdogs, an attitude that is still prevalent in much of todays francophone cultural milieu.....
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Old 04-24-2014, 02:16 AM
 
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The dominant and favored minority i'll presume you are referring to the English, Wonder how they got to be the dominant minority? you dont supposed they actually worked to achieve that status?
And i'll presume your majority impoverished population would be the poor hard done by francophone population who for some reason never rose to the challenge to make something of themselves in the new land and were quite happy being the hapless impoverished underdogs, an attitude that is still prevalent in much of todays francophone cultural milieu.....
Of course. Historic dominator-dominee relationships are always a question of merit or non-merit, right? There's never any deliberate pushing upwards or downwards of certain groups involved...
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Old 04-24-2014, 05:04 AM
 
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Of course. Historic dominator-dominee relationships are always a question of merit or non-merit, right? There's never any deliberate pushing upwards or downwards of certain groups involved...
What advantage did the English minority have that the French majority didnt have?
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Old 04-24-2014, 07:22 AM
 
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What advantage did the English minority have that the French majority didnt have?
Either you are extremely naive, in denial or you'd make a very poor colonizer.

Colonialism 101 is that when you take over a territory with a "foreign" people you bring in as many of your people as possible, you set up everything to function in the way your people are familiar with, ensure all avenues for advancement are "your way", favour the enteprises of "your people" for government contracts and other goodies, etc.
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