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Yeah, no **** Sherlock. Do you think immigrants have the means for private schools? only a few. Same with Francos. There was a survey conducted saying that 90% of parents want schools + their kids to be bilingual. You still have to respect that Montreal is very bilingual and you're still in a bilingual country. If Quebec was its own country then sure, w.e. but you're in Canada still, and you have to accommodate everyone.
I do wish you were in my Canadian politics class when we focused on Quebec. If you said something like that you'd get laughed at hard by the teacher and classmates, just saying.
Then nobody in that Canadian politics class understands the Constitution. Either that or they are blinded by bias. Likely the latter.
In all my decades of debating this issue I have never understood why someone would immigrate to Quebec willingly if free public schools in English for their kids was a deal breaker for them.
It is like moving to Texas and then complaining about guns.
The reason many immigrate to Quebec is for a variety of reasons, in my own case it was a high paying job that was too good to pass up,others may come for family reasons, the lack of linguistic and cultural freedoms isnt that apparent when one first immigrates here.
I've wondered what would happen if all this linguistic bs was abandoned for the freedom to post signs in any language you want,send your kids to whatever schools you want and speak whatever language is convenient for for communication.
Yeah, no **** Sherlock. Do you think immigrants have the means for private schools? only a few.
So then, immigrants can go to school for free. In French. Otherwise, as Acajack keeps pointing out, why immigrate to Quebec?
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You still have to respect that Montreal is very bilingual and you're still in a bilingual country. If Quebec was its own country then sure, w.e. but you're in Canada still, and you have to accommodate everyone.
Sure, Montreal is bilingual. But the native anglophone population can already go to English public schools, and those that come here as university students or as adults aren't in need of public schools for themselves anyway. So really, who are you trying to accommodate?
Also, hasn't enrollment in public English schools been falling? Seems to me that the government is spending too much money on the English school system when the French schools have a greater need for those resources.
Francophones and immigrants have to go to French school by law, so yeah it does work like that. It ends at Cegep/Uni. You should read bill 101 and educate yourself. Everyone should have the right to choose what school their kids go to, regardless of language. And that furthers my point of having all schools being bilingual rather than pure French/English (mainly in Montreal). Yes, I know people will say "it's a French province" and yada yada, yet you're still in a bilingual country.
Francophones and immigrants do not have to go to French schools by law, only if they go to schools that are funded by the government (therefore free schools).
There are no restrictions on who can go to private English schools that do not get government funding.
The fact that Canada overall is bilingual is irrelevant. The Quebec government doesn't subsidize English language education, and rightly so.
Francophones and immigrants do not have to go to French schools by law, only if they go to schools that are funded by the government (therefore free schools).
There are no restrictions on who can go to private English schools that do not get government funding.
The fact that Canada overall is bilingual is irrelevant. The Quebec government doesn't subsidize English language education, and rightly so.
Actually it does - but just not "on demand" for every single student in the province.
, the lack of linguistic and cultural freedoms isnt that apparent when one first immigrates here.
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This a loaded statement, but honestly if you're immigrating to Quebec in 2017 and don't know that you'll have to accommodate the French language into your life and that of your family (to varying degrees), then you're a bit of a dummy. Sorry to say.
The most recent court cases against the school requirements in Bill 101 have mostly been driven by people who obviously immigrated here in the past 10 or 20 years or even less.
Making a big stink over that when it's been the law since 1977 is either stupidity or bad faith. Maybe both.
I've wondered what would happen if all this linguistic bs was abandoned for the freedom to post signs in any language you want,send your kids to whatever schools you want and speak whatever language is convenient for for communication.
Well, Bill 101 is 50 years old this year.
If you look at the various trends back in 1977, one can get an idea of what things might look like without that bill.
Take 20,000-40,000 immigrants a year with almost all of them integrating into the anglophone community and the vast majority learning little to no French at all. Since there would be no extra incentive to. Multiply that by 50 years.
Then take 2-3 offspring per immigrant, and have them attend English school in a proportion of 90-95%, with more or less bogus French as a second language classes in most cases. Multiply their annual numbers by 50 years too.
So even more anglophones with little command of or use for French right there.
Also, language transfers/assimilation from the francophone community also eroded the French speaking population a bit in those days.
So basically Montreal (city and metro) would be a majority English speaking area today with a decent-sized but withering francophone minority.
Francophones would still speak French but mainly just among themselves as few people who weren't purely of French Canadian origin would speak it or want to speak it.
The end result: Montreal as an oversized Ottawa.
The implications of this would be a much reduced or even vanished local film industry, TV industry, magazine industry, publishing industry, music industry, etc. Why would you replicate all of this in Montreal primarily in English when you already have it in Toronto (which has had the largest anglophone population in Canada by a wide margin for decades), and to some degree in LA and NYC too (also serving Canada).
The socio-cultural francophone element that is totally concentrated in Montreal today would likely either have decamped to another smaller city like Quebec City, or perhaps have died altogether without the oomph of a large metropolis to propel it.
I fine with Montreal and Quebec implementing French only in all spheres of public life (provided that some accommodations be made for minority English speakers). One shouldn't just expect to be served in English wherever one goes - it's like living in Toronto or New York City and expecting people to serve you in French or German (you'll most likely get kicked out of a store if you insist people to speak to you only in French in Toronto or NYC). French is the de facto language in Quebec and that's that. Those people who keep complaining about Bill 101 are almost as annoying as the separatists and old farts in PQ who keep resurrecting the "referendum". Both are history and people should just get over them.
Those people who keep complaining about Bill 101 are almost as annoying as the separatists and old farts in PQ who keep resurrecting the "referendum". Both are history and people should just get over them.
The people who complain about Bill 101 incessantly (and behave accordingly in public) also help keep the separatists relevant and their grievance/menace flame alive.
In a sense, both groups feed off each other!
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