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Although Franco-Ontarians did protest a little bit yesterday because they're still angry at Doug Ford's government.
So would they rather have had that Commie-loving Socialist Wynn reflected then? Ford had to cut our spending in Ontario because consecutive terms of ******* government put us in the poor house. Now we face a fake carbon tax from Justin Jihadi Turdno after Ford said he'd kill it. Maybe we shuld separate Ontario too and see how that goes for everyone else..
I share your concerns, absolutely. But, once children hit school, there is some francisation that occurs among children of immigrants. So, the focus on children 4 years and under is misleading -- non-Francophones do have higher birth rates than Francophones on the island. School does have some impact, although this diminishes once people go to the university (McGill, Concordia, I'm talking about you).
Catalonia is even more stringent than Quebec on language-in-education policy. All students in primary and secondary schools have to take Catalan as the medium of instruction. Nonetheless, in Barcelona, Spanish is the lingua franca--Catalan has distant secondary status.
Quebec could strengthen French in Montreal by making French the language of the workplace for firms employing 25 or more, making McGill and Concordia truly bilingual, making all English CEGEPS also truly bilingual, mandating English-language radio stations play music by Francophone artists... what am I missing?
Votes...Anglophones will reach a majority, they will discard all the laws promoting French.
In Catalonia, Catalan is the vehicular language in public and subsidized schools, not on the private schools where the elite goes. There's also a strange voting law call Ohm that confers four times more weight to rural areas, that are usually independentist.
Language is not imposed by sheer numbers, but by economic might and cultural superiority.
Such is the case of Catalonia, even when governments devote billions to subsidize Catalan, Castilian is winning because of sheer numbers and the cultural and economic might of the "empire" (Madrid).
Catalan is taught at public schools, but the language at the schoolyard is Spanish.
If immigrants don't learn French and are not assimilated, then the battle is over.
Language is not imposed by sheer numbers, but by economic might and cultural superiority.
Such is the case of Catalonia, even when governments devote billions to subsidize Catalan, Castilian is winning because of sheer numbers and the cultural and economic might of the "empire" (Madrid).
Catalan is taught at public schools, but the language at the schoolyard is Spanish.
If immigrants don't learn French and are not assimilated, then the battle is over.
More immigrants are assimilating to French than English now, and this has been the trend roughly since the turn of the 21st century.
This is after about 100 years where 90% of immigrants assimilated to English. So it takes a while to turn the tide. We still have large numbers of immigrants and descendants of immigrants living here who assimilate to English or already have, but at this point almost all of them also speak French as a second language - so they are functional in society.
Also the assimilation of native francophones to English is zero. And about 10% of anglophones are assimilating to French as well.
But the mass of anglophones and anglicized allophones (immigrants and their descendants) is still quite large. Though they are still not even close to a majority, nor will they ever be.
On Montreal Island, French is fading as a language of commerce--i.e., people (clerks and clients) are resorting more and more to English as the language of first (and only) recourse.
However, more Anglophones and Allophones are using French in the workplace than previous years. More Anglophones and Allophones are also now going to French-language primary and secondary schools, CEGEPs, and universities. (BUT Francophones are using more English at work and more Francophone students are going to English-language institutions of learning... and the overall demographic weight of Francophones as measured by mother tongue and home language is going down.)
So, it looks like a mixed bag.
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