Quebec Election Day! (transfer, income, taxes)

[CXT2000]

**Please keep this thread CIVIL regardless of outcomes!**

Today is the day! we can see the CAQ win their first election or maybe we can see the Liberals pull off an upset. There are still a lot of undecided voters and of course, this falls between the PLQ and CAQ. Under the PLQ, Quebec has had strong economic growth, MTL is booming and we've reduced debt. CAQ says they are pro-business and want to increase our disposable income & slash taxes, but also want to decrease immigration and increase French protection laws, which are not necessary. This is causing a lot of fear in non-french communities and to decrease immigration can be very harmful to Quebec.
Personal note: I was lucky enough to go on the campaign trail for the PLQ and the Quebec conservative party. An interesting note is a lot of young people were interested in the conservative party, citing they want a different alternative to the PLQ. They don't like the CAQ due to their pro-french stance, or QS cause they're too far left.

[Acajack]

CAQ it is.

Majoritaire or minoritaire?

[CXT2000]

Originally Posted by Acajack

CAQ it is.

Majoritaire or minoritaire?

Majority by a landslide, 74 seats. Also a huge thing about this election, PQ has lost official party status!

[QuebecOpec]

Originally Posted by djesus007

Under the PLQ, Quebec has had strong economic growth, MTL is booming and we've reduced debt.

PLQ sacrificed Québec on the altar of globalization and ruined it. That's why the Liberals got yesterday rightfully their well-deserved historic low
Furthermore PLQ alienated Montréal from the rest of Québec and the gap between M and rest of Q has never been as large as it is now.

On this site is a map that shows that Montréal has a totally different voting behaviour than the rest of the province, Montréal is nearly all red-orange, while the rest is blue:

https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/qcvotes/results/


PLQ neglected and ignored the rest of Québec.


I see many parallels between the Trump vs Clinton election and the Québec election:
- both in Québec and US-America the elections were about identity, they were about local culture versus globalism

- in both cases they were about either limiting immigration or increasing migration numbers
- in both cases it was metropolitan city/cities versus rural side (Montréal voted mainly for The Liberals like US-American big cities voted for Clinton, while suburban & rural America voted for Trump like rural and suburban Québec voted for CAQ)


Québec now joins Austria, Italy, Poland and US-America because it has switched towards an anti-globalist government

Originally Posted by djesus007

CAQ says they are pro-business and want to increase our disposable income & slash taxes, but also want to decrease immigration and increase French protection laws, which are not necessary.

I completely disagree. French has never been as fragile as it it now, and protection laws are more necessary than ever before and that's exactly why CAQ has won now.

Originally Posted by djesus007

This is causing a lot of fear in non-french communities and to decrease immigration can be very harmful to Quebec.

The Liberal's solution - to outnumber the francophone community by importing more Anglos & Allophones & integrating it into Anglo-Canada - has been causing a lot of fear to the French community and they have shown their opinion that they don't want and don't appreciate the PLQ.


+ Québec does not need immigration at all. This is a big myth told by the Liberals to Québécois that solely serves the interests of big cooperations that get cheap labour forces from overseas. Immigration has ruined Québec and people voted for CAQ because it finally will limit the horrifyingly high numbers of migrants.

Also some Anglos started questioning themselves how good immigration can be for them, if they are forced to leave Montréal island & move to Vaudreuil Dorion because prices have become too expensive.

Originally Posted by djesus007

An interesting note is a lot of young people were interested in the conservative party, citing they want a different alternative to the PLQ. They don't like the CAQ due to their pro-french stance, or QS cause they're too far left.

I have completely forgotten about the conservative party. How attractive this party must be when youth has been voting for QS instead


As for the outcome, I'm very happy that CAQ now has the majority government and hopefully will bring their policies into reality without having to bother with the opposition parties.

Byebye Liberals don't be surprised that you've been deselected, people know when they are betrayed.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by djesus007

They don't like the CAQ due to their pro-french stance,.

Must be a specific subgroup of young people. In my experience most young people don't care about language either way.


They don't find the fact that everything might be in French only to be a big deal, because they pretty much all speak it. There is no barrier in this for them like there was for people in previous generations.

[silverkris]

Wow. What a shakeup. QLP and PQ lost big. What's the big challenge for the CAQ now that they have the reins?

I've heard that they may have to deal with the effects on the new announced North American trade pact with the US and Mexico, particularly with the dairy industry - which is fairly substantial in Quebec.

[CXT2000]

Originally Posted by silverkris

Wow. What a shakeup. QLP and PQ lost big. What's the big challenge for the CAQ now that they have the reins?

I've heard that they may have to deal with the effects on the new announced North American trade pact with the US and Mexico, particularly with the dairy industry - which is fairly substantial in Quebec.

Challenge-wise is they gotta make the healthcare system better and efficient, cut red-tape and keep the momentum up economically. Also limiting immigration to 40,000 will hurt Quebec because our birth rate is low and our population is ageing rapidly. Last year the death rate was higher than the birth rate (or the year before I can't remember). Also, they want to reduce the size of counsellors in Montreal and I agree 100% with this (like what Ford did with Toronto). I agree with a lot of the CAQ except the whole lowering immigration and more French protection. 94.4% of people in Quebec can speak French and do so, so hearing that French is "in danger" is ludicrous. On your last point, yes that played a huge factor as well since Canada basically sold out Quebec farmers.

[QuebecOpec]

Originally Posted by djesus007

Challenge-wise is they gotta make the healthcare system better and efficient, cut red-tape and keep the momentum up economically. Also limiting immigration to 40,000 will hurt Quebec because our birth rate is low and our population is ageing rapidly. Last year the death rate was higher than the birth rate (or the year before I can't remember). Also, they want to reduce the size of counsellors in Montreal and I agree 100% with this (like what Ford did with Toronto). I agree with a lot of the CAQ except the whole lowering immigration and more French protection. 94.4% of people in Quebec can speak French and do so, so hearing that French is "in danger" is ludicrous. On your last point, yes that played a huge factor as well since Canada basically sold out Quebec farmers.

On a global scale, population growth is detrimental for the Earth because population growth is environmentally non-sustainable, the Earth's resources are finite. Québec should be a role model for the world and not engage in adopting policies, that if adopted by other countries, too, will lead to the catastrophe of infinite population growth. Even as for today it is theoretically not possible for every country in the world ot have the same living standards as US-Americans because if all of the world consumed at the same level as US-Americans do, multiple planets would be necessary.


Immigration is not solving the problem of ageing because immigrants do not arrive at the age of 0 in Québec, the are likely 25-45 years old and once they arrive in Québec the phenomenon of ageing is making no exception for them. To keep these logics up, there must be backlog demand of accumulated demand, in other words migrants will come, contribue to the ageing process at a future point of time and more immigrants will be necessary to slow down the ageing median.

So, Québec does not need migrants at all.



+ It is not relevant how many people speak French, it is relevant how many people have better knowledge of English than in French, that are the people that mostly only consume English media and contribute 0 to the francophone community in cultural, philosophical or other medial terms.

Obviously, French hit a new rock bottom this year as for the first time in the 21st century as 1 out of 3 TV debates has been in English, that is 33,33%. Even if 100% had knowledge of French, that would be no indicator of strength as it does not exclude the option of preferentially using English.



+ Other provinces must pay money to Québec, that is their moral duty because Québec is the only thing that distinguishes Canada from the United States. This is why there should be higher amounts of equalization payments transferred towards Québec.

We are kind enough to send them highly skilled workers, so Alberta and British Columbia should reciprocate this kindness by sending more payment checks to Québec City via Ottawa.



+ Canada has been cheating against the US in fair trade for decades.... now that the US has smart Trump who does not allow the US to be sold for dumb, I suppose that Canada will be looking towards overseas as a new alternative market

[CXT2000]

Originally Posted by QuebecOpec

On a global scale, population growth is detrimental for the Earth because population growth is environmentally non-sustainable, the Earth's resources are finite. Québec should be a role model for the world and not engage in adopting policies, that if adopted by other countries, too, will lead to the catastrophe of infinite population growth. Even as for today it is theoretically not possible for every country in the world ot have the same living standards as US-Americans because if all of the world consumed at the same level as US-Americans do, multiple planets would be necessary.


Immigration is not solving the problem of ageing because immigrants do not arrive at the age of 0 in Québec, the are likely 25-45 years old and once they arrive in Québec the phenomenon of ageing is making no exception for them. To keep these logics up, there must be backlog demand of accumulated demand, in other words migrants will come, contribue to the ageing process at a future point of time and more immigrants will be necessary to slow down the ageing median.

So, Québec does not need migrants at all.



+ It is not relevant how many people speak French, it is relevant how many people have better knowledge of English than in French, that are the people that mostly only consume English media and contribute 0 to the francophone community in cultural, philosophical or other medial terms.

Obviously, French hit a new rock bottom this year as for the first time in the 21st century as 1 out of 3 TV debates has been in English, that is 33,33%. Even if 100% had knowledge of French, that would be no indicator of strength as it does not exclude the option of preferentially using English.



+ Other provinces must pay money to Québec, that is their moral duty because Québec is the only thing that distinguishes Canada from the United States. This is why there should be higher amounts of equalization payments transferred towards Québec.

We are kind enough to send them highly skilled workers, so Alberta and British Columbia should reciprocate this kindness by sending more payment checks to Québec City via Ottawa.



+ Canada has been cheating against the US in fair trade for decades.... now that the US has smart Trump who does not allow the US to be sold for dumb, I suppose that Canada will be looking towards overseas as a new alternative market

So you believe French is dying because they had ONE debate in English for the FIRST TIME in history, believe in transfer payments even though it keeps us reliant on money and makes us stay poor (and the CAQ wants to rid of this BTW) and say we don't need immigrants at all yet majority of them to contribute to Quebec by going to AI jobs, students, real-estate, etc... I mean at the end of the day believe what you want, but in reality what you believe in is a weaker and closed off Quebec.

[silverkris]

Originally Posted by djesus007

I agree with a lot of the CAQ except the whole lowering immigration and more French protection. 94.4% of people in Quebec can speak French and do so, so hearing that French is "in danger" is ludicrous.

Maybe you need to convince QuebecOpec on that point.