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Old 01-25-2012, 09:11 PM
 
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Look Fellows, your lack of sight beyond your doorstep is putting you in deep trouble. You all can't look past Morgantown, and want to do nothing but bash every other state funded institutinon, project, or town. WVU is a huge form of state funding. WVU has grown into the largest "business" in the state, and the revenue that has spun off of it in Morgantown has led to its ultimate growth. So with this logic, Morgantown already gets more from the state than almost every community in WV with the exception of the state capital. I never said it shouldn't get funding because it has WVU, but I did say that you should stop complaining and being so spoiled because you already have more than everyone else.

Southern WV has Nothing! And when I say nothing, I mean nothing. No large colleges, no state unded tech corridors, no fancy pork FBI centers, Nothing! And while you all think that it gets more from the state, the truth is it doesn't. Not a cent more. In fact it gets less. Nobody hates anything about NCWV. Just because somebody disagrees about funding, doesn't mean that they are out to attack NCWV. You all are so spoiled that you think that anything not going to Morgantown is a sin. well let me tell you this, you all are wrong and can't face the facts. Why don't you do your homework and learn that southern WV, and some middle of nowher towns in the potomac highlands need what they hopefully will get someday.
We aren't talking about the state supporting one place or another, or what resources are in a particular place. WVU gets 19% of its general fund from the state. That's less than one in five dollars. In exchange for that, they provide services all over the state, educate more of the state's residents at a bargain rate than any other school, has employees who pay more in state taxes than the school gets from the state, and provides far and away the best face for the state to the Nation and the world. In addition, The University and Morgantown are two separate entities. Your argument is like saying all the money the rest of the state p*sses down the drain on state government in Charleston for little in return should somehow count against Charleston. That is ludicrous on the face of it.

The University has no bearing on the fact that the City of Morgantown and environs has grown by leaps and bounds during the past decade. It has long been neglected in terms of state expenditures for infrastructure, and it has greatly outgrown the infrastructure in place. It needs infrastructure based on existing conditions, not based on maybes or possibilities. To throw millions at much less used US 35 or Corridor projects that have produced relatively little in the way of tangible results is just not common sense. That is nothing against Charleston, or against southern West Virginia, it is just responsible spending of state tax dollars to meet needs as they present themselves.

I remember when it was a 5 1/2 hour drive to Charleston from Morgantown and a 7 1/2 hour drive from Wheeling. Charleston did not even have a four lane highway connected to any place else within 75 miles in the 1960s. They got the first Interstate funding available in the state, even though other areas were closer to tangible developments elsewhere. And, the Interstates in that area were always better maintained than anywhere else. That remained the case even after the city lost much of its population.

Infrastructure development is sorely needed and very long overdue in Morgantown, and if you deny that, one wonders about the motivation. What is good for Morgantown, Martinsburg, Wheeling, Parkersburg, and Huntington is not bad for Charleston. Since Charleston mostly depends on transfer payments from those other places to sustain itself, healthy growth in those other areas is a very positive thing for Charleston. This notion that Charleston has some kind of special right to hog everything goes against the grain of logic, and is counter productive for everyone including Charleston.
Since it is the political head, if the heart is suffering and the stomach has ulcers having the head makes little difference. You would just be the head of a sick cow headed for slaughter.

Morgantown is the academic and research center for the state, and it is that with minimal state support. It is also the cultural center for a large portion of the state. Charleston is the political center for the state, and the cultural center for another portion of the state. They both need each other for the common good. You're blaming our area because the Federal government chose to locate facilities in this region has no bearing on the issue. They did that because it made sense, location wise, proximity wise to Washington and so forth to do that. That was nothing against Charleston either.

You can't hold it against our area because we have a larger than normal share of natural resources nearby, by far the state's best educated workforce, and a much closer proximity to truly large population centers. That is not our fault, and it is only logical that we would use it to our benefit. We'd be stupid to not do so. But, you can't operate a relatively impoverished state like West Virginia with the notion that you can create demand like you're suggesting. You have to first respond to existing demand and use resources created by doing that to benefit everyone. Money spent here adds to the tax base that helps southern West Virginia too.
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Old 01-25-2012, 09:30 PM
 
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Don't drag me into this, especially with a comment like that. I have no hatred for any part of this state and want to see every part of this state thrive. Too bad there are others on here who don't share the same sentiment.
I agree.

It is a shame that some people hate Morgantown, but haters gonna hate.

Anyway success does breed hate, but love conquers all.
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Old 01-25-2012, 10:06 PM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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Corridor H isn't being worked on right now for one, so it isn't like any money is being used for it. In fact, the federal government has blocked funding for it, so until that happens all we can do is dream because there is no construction at this time.

What I'm saying is that WVU is the state government, so by default it is the largest thing in the state. There is no seperation between it and the capital because our state is too dependent on the univeristy for economic stability within our borders. While you may feel that it is underfunded, that can't be because its like saying the state isn't funding itself.

Sure Charleston benifits from the state government, but doesn't every capital city? Look at Harrisburg, or Columbus, or even Madison, all of these towns benifit from only the state capital being there. Charleston has that priviledge, but it is also lucky enough to be the state's largest economy. So it gets what any city with its role in both state government and state business needs. And of course its not like the state is handing out cash down here. We haven't had a major state project in years. Unless you count US 35 which is a need and another topic.
I agree with your responses Chris regarding Morgantown although you will never be able to convince the townie crowd otherwise.

The only thing I have to say regarding this is that sections of Corridor H are actually under construction right now. Construction workers are currently completing a substantial portion of the highway between Foreman (outside of Moorefield) and the Davis/ Canaan Valley area. This portion is scheduled to be completed by winter of 2013.
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Old 01-25-2012, 10:39 PM
 
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I agree with your responses Chris regarding Morgantown although you will never be able to convince the townie crowd otherwise.

The only thing I have to say regarding this is that sections of Corridor H are actually under construction right now. Construction workers are currently completing a substantial portion of the highway between Foreman (outside of Moorefield) and the Davis/ Canaan Valley area. This portion is scheduled to be completed by winter of 2013.
Okay, let's use Chris's logic here. He says Charleston get what it needs because it is the state capitol, and the state of West Virginia depends on WVU because it is the state's largest "industry". I think we have some agreement there, but what he fails to see is it is just as important for the town with the state's largest industry to have the infrastructure it needs as it is for a political gathering place to have what it needs. And the local populace of our town has just as much right to expect a high level of service from state government as does the populace of Charleston. Also, the economy of our NCWV region is comparable to that of the Charleston region. It also is comprised of about the same geographic area and population.

Charleston relies on a massive infusion of state funding to maintain its political center. Our town relies on a comparitively much smaller infusion of state funding to provide for our contribution to the state's prosperity. All we want in return is adequate infrastructure and state services to do what we do here. The state has failed miserably in its responsibility to provide that, but they are building the roads to nowhere that you guys illogically seem to relish. That is why we fight it out with Mississippi for last place and usually win. To Virginia's credit, they are smart enough to see that. I am glad that they are finally starting to do something about our problems here, but it is long overdue, and it is not enough.
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Old 01-26-2012, 01:20 AM
 
Location: Elkins, WV
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I don't appriciate being called a little Obama (socialist)
Just to clarify... anyone can call me a little Obama socialist... I love that compliment
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Old 01-26-2012, 01:50 AM
 
Location: Inwood
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Just to clarify... anyone can call me a little Obama socialist... I love that compliment
Lol me too. I wish they would tax us more so we could have better roads and schools while at the same time using these funds more efficiently. I think each county should get funds based on population and current growth. Every county needs new roads and better schools.
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Old 01-26-2012, 05:44 AM
 
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Well that pretty much explains it all. Now I see why we are in ever increasing trouble economically these days. Thanks for pointing all that out.
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Old 01-26-2012, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Huntington, WV
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I agree.

It is a shame that some people hate Morgantown, but haters gonna hate.

Anyway success does breed hate, but love conquers all.
If that is what you got from my post it seems that I need to rephrase it. It is too bad that there are some on this board who go out of their way to bash other areas of the state and then get mad and even more belligerant in their posts when people defend their homes and areas that they are passionate about. Then, if someone disagrees with the aforementioned poster/posters about almost anything, they result in personal attacks on the posters along with name calling. From the viewpoint of most on here, hatred isn't directed toward NCWV but rather seems to emante from it on this board. It has really affected this board too because it has made several users limit discussion and debate because of the lack of civility from some.
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Old 01-26-2012, 07:03 AM
 
Location: ADK via WV
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Don't drag me into this, especially with a comment like that. I have no hatred for any part of this state and want to see every part of this state thrive. Too bad there are others on here who don't share the same sentiment.
Sorry folks to cause a stir like normal, but again nobody here hates anything about WV.

Sorry Tim I was just kidding
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Old 01-26-2012, 07:14 AM
 
Location: ADK via WV
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Okay, let's use Chris's logic here. He says Charleston get what it needs because it is the state capitol, and the state of West Virginia depends on WVU because it is the state's largest "industry". I think we have some agreement there, but what he fails to see is it is just as important for the town with the state's largest industry to have the infrastructure it needs as it is for a political gathering place to have what it needs. And the local populace of our town has just as much right to expect a high level of service from state government as does the populace of Charleston. Also, the economy of our NCWV region is comparable to that of the Charleston region. It also is comprised of about the same geographic area and population.

Charleston relies on a massive infusion of state funding to maintain its political center. Our town relies on a comparitively much smaller infusion of state funding to provide for our contribution to the state's prosperity. All we want in return is adequate infrastructure and state services to do what we do here. The state has failed miserably in its responsibility to provide that, but they are building the roads to nowhere that you guys illogically seem to relish. That is why we fight it out with Mississippi for last place and usually win. To Virginia's credit, they are smart enough to see that. I am glad that they are finally starting to do something about our problems here, but it is long overdue, and it is not enough.
Come on CT how many times do I have to say it. I support morgantown getting more funding for roads, I honestly do. It is the philosophy that Morgantown is some how being cheated I don't agree with. You and havoc think that just because Mtown isn't seeing extra funding for roads that somehow Southern WV is building roads like crazy down here. Which is not true because there is nothing going on down here. Again I agree that Morgantown could use some $$$, but so does McDowell and Mingo Counties. I'm just saying that you guys should stop pointing fingers down here at us because we aren't taking your long lost funds. In fact, if you want to pint fingers it should be at who you have elected up there to represent you in Charleston.

And Charleston doesn't really depend on state funds for anything. The user fee takes care of roads, and private and county owned development is what we are experiencing now. Nothing from the State, just hard work on our behalfs as usual.
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