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Old 06-30-2011, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Originally Posted by CaptBeavs View Post
Shakespeare probably utilized sex as his most consistent theme.

What's wrong with movies about sex?

I don't know about you, but I love sex. I do it all the time, it never ceases to be enjoyable, and the interplay between the 2 genders concerning sex never really ceases to be fascinating, if we're being honest with ourselves.

If you are sick of sex movies, go to one of the thousands of films centered around non-sex-related themes. Believe it or not, they're out there. Griping about your inability to find alternatives seems pointless to me.

Stop being so uptight. Films and art are not meant to conform merely to religious mores.
I agree. However, the movie that the OP cited revolves around sex and gratuitously so. The premise has already been addressed in a movie that was already a flop, mostly b/c it is a provincial premise to begin with. In fact, I imagine that the only people that will see such a film are prudes who want to see what such relationships are like (and, of course, each film probably makes sure that such a relationship is a disaster and/or ends disastrously just to drive home to audiences the moral point of how dangerous experimenting with the status quo can be) or non-prudes who want validation for having engaged in such relationships.

I don't mind films with sex in them. Films like A History of Violence or Blue Valentine had a lot of graphic sex in it but there was a point to it: it was an integral part of the story. However, gratuitous sex is another matter entirely; a film such as Eyes Wide Shut could have been told successfully without the graphic and pointless orgy scenes. Even the sex in porn isn't gratuitous b/c that is it's whole point.

Yes, Shakespeare's plays are quite bawdy, but they rarely revolve around just sex; they incorporate a lot of other themes and conflicts that were relevant to their time and to the play itself. Sex and sexual references were meant to provide humor or to augment the drama/comedy/etc. Moreover, they were a lot more clever than this film or others like it that shallowly exploit sex to titillate and make a buck from audiences that are just too chaste to go out and rent the porn that they secretly desire.

 
Old 06-30-2011, 02:24 PM
 
Location: around the 44th parallel
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I agree. However, the movie that the OP cited revolves around sex and gratuitously so. The premise has already been addressed in a movie that was already a flop, mostly b/c it is a provincial premise to begin with. In fact, I imagine that the only people that will see such a film are prudes who want to see what such relationships are like (and, of course, each film probably makes sure that such a relationship is a disaster and/or ends disastrously just to drive home to audiences the moral point of how dangerous experimenting with the status quo can be) or non-prudes who want validation for having engaged in such relationships.

I don't mind films with sex in them. Films like A History of Violence or Blue Valentine had a lot of graphic sex in it but there was a point to it: it was an integral part of the story. However, gratuitous sex is another matter entirely; a film such as Eyes Wide Shut could have been told successfully without the graphic and pointless orgy scenes. Even the sex in porn isn't gratuitous b/c that is it's whole point.

Yes, Shakespeare's plays are quite bawdy, but they rarely revolve around just sex; they incorporate a lot of other themes and conflicts that were relevant to their time and to the play itself. Sex and sexual references were meant to provide humor or to augment the drama/comedy/etc. Moreover, they were a lot more clever than this film or others like it that shallowly exploit sex to titillate and make a buck from audiences that are just too chaste to go out and rent the porn that they secretly desire.
I wasn't endorsing the Justin Timberlake movie. Haven't seen it, and don't plan to, for precisely the reasons you mentioned. That, and I'm a heterosexual male, so I'm pretty sure I was never the intended target audience anyway.

Ok, Shakespeare didn't create plays revolving entirely around the sex act, but his plays dealt with sexual attraction and affairs of the heart, I would guess, more than 50% of the time. Even King Lear's climax revolved around the Edmund infatuation.

I also find it more than a little annoying that disgusting prudes lambast Hollywood's frequent use of gratuitous sex, yet seem either indifferent or welcoming to gratuitous violence. If I had to choose whether to put America's children in a room with films rolling that depict only sex, or only violence, I choose sex every time. It's absurd how twisted our morally pompous culture can be with its hypocritical attitude toward sex.
 
Old 06-30-2011, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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I wasn't endorsing the Justin Timberlake movie. Haven't seen it, and don't plan to, for precisely the reasons you mentioned. That, and I'm a heterosexual male, so I'm pretty sure I was never the intended target audience anyway.

Ok, Shakespeare didn't create plays revolving entirely around the sex act, but his plays dealt with sexual attraction and affairs of the heart, I would guess, more than 50% of the time. Even King Lear's climax revolved around the Edmund infatuation.

I also find it more than a little annoying that disgusting prudes lambast Hollywood's frequent use of gratuitous sex, yet seem either indifferent or welcoming to gratuitous violence. If I had to choose whether to put America's children in a room with films rolling that depict only sex, or only violence, I choose sex every time. It's absurd how twisted our morally pompous culture can be with its hypocritical attitude toward sex.
No, I didn't think you were endorsing it; I just sort of went off on my own tangent about sex in film.

And, yes, I completely agree with you about gratuitous sex and gratuitous violence: horror is an acceptable genre for mainstream theatres while porn is not; it is totally unreasonable.They can both be equally offensive and anyone not acknoweldging that is a hypocrite.

Shakespeare is really great b/c it's just as sexy as the person reading it , unlike gratuitous sex/violence in film, which demands complicity from the viewer.

To the OP: I can certainly see how sex in a film (or its previews) would be offensive to someone; the medium of film is certainly saturated with all things gratuitous. However, film is not the culprit. Unfortunately, these films exist b/c it's what sells: this is what a lot of people want to see. As the above poster pointed out, film reflects, for better or for worse, the tastes, beliefs and priorities of a society.
 
Old 06-30-2011, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in northern Alabama
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I agree. There are too many saxes in films. Who wants to listen to saxes all the time? There are plenty of other perfectly good instruments like harps and pianos and... whassat? 'scuse me for a second... oh. Nevermind.
 
Old 07-01-2011, 08:01 PM
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I finished watching the series "Matroesjkas" and it was pretty good. Really feel sad for these girls.
 
Old 07-02-2011, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Kenai, AK
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Im sick of todays movies. Its always about sex, sex & more sex. Just like that new movie "friends with benefits" starring justine timberlake (who bought myself with a few other idiots) & that mousey girl on that 70s show & family guy (i dont remember the bimbos name).
agree to a point but actually i think too many movies nowadays revolve around people doing drugs and acting like morons. The dumbing down of society is at a full on run.


btw "mousy girl" LOL .. can't agree w/you there. Mila Kunis is absolutely gorgeous and i always tell the mister if I were into females I'd do her. lol
you ever see her in forgetting sarah marshall (one of our fave movies) or Max Payne?
 
Old 07-02-2011, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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I get kind of tired of it, and often it even embarrasses me, to be window-peeping at people in their private moments, which I'd never do in real life. There is a time and a place for good porn, and "always everywhere" is not it.
 
Old 07-02-2011, 11:37 PM
 
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Sex and nudity aren't the same thing of course, but I was thinking recently how little nudity there is in mainstream Hollywood movies made the last few years compared to the 1970s and early 80s.
Don't believe me? Go back and watch some of those movies from that period. Comedies, detective stories, dramas and many other movies would have nude scenes by the lead actress in many of those films.
Today's movies are positively prudish by the standards of those movies. Very few top actresses will do even a partially nude scene nowadays.
 
Old 07-03-2011, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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I get kind of tired of it, and often it even embarrasses me, to be window-peeping at people in their private moments, which I'd never do in real life. There is a time and a place for good porn, and "always everywhere" is not it.
Agreed, especially when you are having to endure watching unexpected sex scenes in a film with a 100 other people in a crowded movie theater. I find it very awkward, and I am usually blushing in the dark while wishing I had stayed home
 
Old 07-03-2011, 05:41 PM
 
Location: South Bronx
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The bottom line is sex sells, and directors, producers, etc are gonna put out what sells. There's as much sex on television as there is in the movies these days, cause that's what's attracting audiences..
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