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Old 08-01-2011, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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I just watched this last night. I haven't read any reviews but I did check IMDB and see it was nominated for a BAFTA and had 8.1 stars.

I liked it but I'm a little surprised by the above. I didn't like it that much.
I wonder if I've just gotten dumbed down by Hollywood or something? I'm normally very taken by and sympathetic to underdogs. Oskar who is bullied and whose family life is ok but not ideal was a little irritating.
At the end I didn't understand why he just wouldn't swim farther out into the pool to avoid the older boys bullying? Couldn't they have come up with something more realistic? And why travel with the box on a train when she clearly had the money for a cab before?

Interesting how foreign films don't seem to feel the need to explain everything and wrap up their story lines in neat packages. You get used to, expect it, notice it when its not being done. It makes you think a little more. I get the impression that foreign directors are a little more of the 'leave it open for personal interpretation' types?

The think I will remember most is the scene with the cats. Holy Cow! Hadn't seen that before.
I surprisingly liked the movie. The description makes the movie sound horrible.
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Old 08-01-2011, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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There was just a general tone throughout the film of sexualizing the kids. Definitely strongest with Eli, but with Oskar too. I don't know enough about the story to know if this was the director making a film faithful to the author's vision, or if the director put this element in himself. Either way, I wouldn't want to sit next to the filmmaker or writer on a plane ride.
Interesting - While there were a few scenes that could be called "intimate", I wouldn't say they were sexualized, and certainly didn't extend beyond the scope of those scenes. Instead, I thought it raised a whole series of thought provoking but unanswered questions in the film (Spoilers below, I suppose):

- Eli, while being hundreds of years old, was stuck in the body of a child. Is she an adult in child form, or is she truly forever a child?

- The movie plays out as a somewhat twisted yet innocent story between two outsiders who form a curious friendship, but the presence of Hakan (her elder companion from the beginning of the film - I had to look that one up) gives it a darker meaning. It certainly appears that Hakan started out in a similar friendship with Eli as the one we watch develop with Oskar. Does that mean that Eli preys upon young insecure boys to become her caretakers? Did she specifically focus on Oskar for that reason?

- Knowing the truth of Hakan and Eli's relationship, is Oskar truly ok with a future dedicated to the murder and butchery of innocent individuals? If at some point he changed his mind, would Eli willingly let him go?

- As BVitamin mentioned, in the story Eli turns out to not be a girl at all, but a castrated boy. The film only briefly hints at this in one of the scenes mentioned above (I didn't even catch the meaning of the scene until reading about it later), but how does this make the viewer rethink the film? Does Oskar understand the meaning of that scar, and if so, how does that impact his feelings for her? It doesn't appear to - but then once you've figured out you've befriended a vampire, I guess anything else wouldn't really throw you.

I suppose that's why I really liked this movie - it left so many open questions that I was thinking about it for days afterwards. If it was all neatly spelled out, it wouldn't be nearly as much fun.
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Old 08-01-2011, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Maine
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Have you seen the American remake, Mark?
No. Had I liked the Swedish version more, I might be interested. But I didn't, so I'm not.


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Not to jump to any conclusions but are you the type of American who associates pedophilia with homosexuality? If so, maybe that's why?
Nope. I associate pedophilia with adults wanting to have sex with kids, and this movie definitely set off my Ick Factor in that regard. Even Roman Polanski (who actually is an adult who had sex with a child) movies have never set off my Ick Factor like that.

I haven't read the book, so if there was any ambiguity with Eli, it went over my head in the movie. I just assumed Eli was a girl.
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Old 08-01-2011, 01:53 PM
 
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I didn't get any sexual overtones either. AMOF far less than in US made anything. Oskar is interested in her as a girl but in a far more ignorant confused and passive way than most boys his age. Eli tells him she's not a girl and that ends that. None of the adults seem interested in the kids at all which is part of the whole point of the move. He does see her crotch in the one scene and is shocked but..whatever.
Thanks for that info BV, it makes more sense now - why they showed that scene and why something looked wrong (it was a glimpse and I didn't think it was important enough to rewind and look).
I think pediphilia is everywhere, more common than we think, most often within families and denied equally everywhere.
Mark S - that proud to be an American thing? You've got to be joking. Toddlers and Tiara's anyone?
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Old 08-01-2011, 02:10 PM
 
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- The movie plays out as a somewhat twisted yet innocent story between two outsiders who form a curious friendship, but the presence of Hakan (her elder companion from the beginning of the film - I had to look that one up) gives it a darker meaning. It certainly appears that Hakan started out in a similar friendship with Eli as the one we watch develop with Oskar. Does that mean that Eli preys upon young insecure boys to become her caretakers? Did she specifically focus on Oskar for that reason?
Ding ding ding we have a winner. (based upon my watching of the American version.)

Eli knows her caretaker is wearing out and that she needs to start grooming a replacement. This is clearly covered in the plot.

There is no pedophilia, you notice that Eli *orders* Hakan out of the room so she can tap on the wall with Oskar. When they argue it's Eli that browbeats Hakan who is the weaker of the two in the relationship by far.

A lot of people want to SEE the bullied boy as a victim who finds a friend that protects him but quite frankly I think he has found as much of a *friend* as some pimp finding a run-away and maniupulating them.

I would also suggest that Eli was going to the hospital to kill off Hakan and that he offered himself as food made it seem heroic when really Eli was discarding him like an old tool.
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Old 08-01-2011, 02:14 PM
 
Location: 60630
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Mark S - that proud to be an American thing? You've got to be joking. Toddlers and Tiara's anyone?

That is great that he is proad to be American but if he thinks Pedophilia is any less common here than in Sweden, he is living in lala land. This movie, has nothing to do with Pedophilia. Just like you said, Toddlers and Tiaras on the other hand is like legalized child porn. Disgusting..
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Old 08-01-2011, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Maine
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Mark S - that proud to be an American thing?
Tongue in cheek. Don't read more into it than was intended.

I know pedophilia is more common than we like to admit, not just in Sweden, but everywhere. But what the poster above was inferring was that pedophilia is accepted as hunky-dory in Sweden, and I just don't think that's the case. It's not just an American taboo.


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You've got to be joking. Toddlers and Tiara's anyone?
Haven't seen it, but I know what you're talking about, and yeah, it's sick.
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Old 08-02-2011, 10:44 AM
 
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That is great that he is proad to be American but if he thinks Pedophilia is any less common here than in Sweden, he is living in lala land. This movie, has nothing to do with Pedophilia. Just like you said, Toddlers and Tiaras on the other hand is like legalized child porn. Disgusting..
100% agree that the movie is absolutely not about pedophilia. Eli is a calculating powerful monster and frankly I think Hakan doesn't like the other boy around not because of sexual reasons but because they've stayed isolated for a LONG time from any others and he puts Eli's safety foremost. Meeting others that can do things like give descriptions of you after you move is dangerous and we could see just how meticulous Hakan was in all of his operations and planning. (the acid?) He also clearly regrets some of his actions but is mentally enslaved by Eli and while he cannot leave he must recognize that the boy might be his future replacement.

P.S. I think most people watch T&T for the trainwreck. A whole bunch of not-so-cute kids competing and losing....and the moms spending thousands then ***** that it's rigged LOL. No, your kid is just fugly.
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Old 08-02-2011, 01:44 PM
 
Location: on an island
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I thought I was sick of vampires, but I liked both the Swedish "Let the Right One In" as well as the American remake.
Eli takes vampirism to new (literal and figurative) levels.
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Old 08-02-2011, 05:43 PM
 
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How different, or the same, was the American version?
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