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Old 04-05-2012, 05:11 PM
 
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Many critically-acclaimed films seem to be films which have a deep underlying message such as:

* 12 Angry Men addressing reasonable doubt
* Grave of the Fireflies addressing the consequences of nuclear weapons
* City of God addressing the cycle of violence in a slum
* The Lives of Others addressing the questioning of one's ideology
* One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest addressing the questioning of insanity


But what about films which don't really have a deep underyling message but are just very entertaining and watchable such as:

* The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
* Yojimbo
* Ringu
* Let the Right One In
* Infernal Affairs
* Inception

Does a film NEED an underyling message to be a good film (i.e. 12 Angry Men and Grave of the Fireflies) or can a film simply be a good film because it's entertaining and watchable (i.e The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly and Let the Right One In)?
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Old 04-05-2012, 07:48 PM
 
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* Grave of the Fireflies addressing the consequences of nuclear weapons
Great movie but no nuclear weapons.

The B29s were dropping incendiary bomblets which started huge firestorms. Many, many Japanese civilians burned to death.

Anyway, The movie isn't about weapons, it's about the horrors of war.

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Does a film NEED an underyling message to be a good film.....
No it does not.

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Old 04-05-2012, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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Every film has a message, even if that message is: "Gee, this ***** is funny!"
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Old 04-08-2012, 11:59 AM
 
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This is all films need

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Old 04-08-2012, 06:45 PM
 
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Not for me! I have VERY pedestrian taste when it comes to movies. No underlying message necessary. (I like the message movies sometimes, and the serious movies and the art-house flicks, but I'm not very critical when it comes to movies. A "good movie" for me is, simply, one that I liked, and sometimes I even like the bad ones.)
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Old 04-09-2012, 06:22 AM
 
Location: Maine
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A movie doesn't NEED an underlying message to be good. But an underlying message certainly adds to any story. It doesn't necessarily make it good. There are lots of stories out there where it's obvious the underlying message was the whole point, and they end up coming across as not so much stories as sermons.
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Old 04-09-2012, 09:36 PM
 
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All movies have a message; some just aren't as prevalent.
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Old 04-13-2012, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Many critically-acclaimed films seem to be films which have a deep underlying message such as:

* 12 Angry Men addressing reasonable doubt
* Grave of the Fireflies addressing the consequences of nuclear weapons
* City of God addressing the cycle of violence in a slum
* The Lives of Others addressing the questioning of one's ideology
* One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest addressing the questioning of insanity


But what about films which don't really have a deep underyling message but are just very entertaining and watchable such as:

* The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
* Yojimbo
* Ringu
* Let the Right One In
* Infernal Affairs
* Inception

Does a film NEED an underyling message to be a good film (i.e. 12 Angry Men and Grave of the Fireflies) or can a film simply be a good film because it's entertaining and watchable (i.e The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly and Let the Right One In)?

Great question!
I vote 'no' - I actually prefer my movies to simply be entertaining. I hate being preached to or emotionally manipulated at the movies.
Not saying that I don't love "To Kill a Mockingbird,' but, these days I much prefer any of the Marvel incarnations to 'message' movies like "The Help."
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Old 04-13-2012, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Many critically-acclaimed films seem to be films which have a deep underlying message such as:

* 12 Angry Men addressing reasonable doubt
* Grave of the Fireflies addressing the consequences of nuclear weapons
* City of God addressing the cycle of violence in a slum
* The Lives of Others addressing the questioning of one's ideology
* One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest addressing the questioning of insanity


But what about films which don't really have a deep underyling message but are just very entertaining and watchable such as:

* The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
* Yojimbo
* Ringu
* Let the Right One In
* Infernal Affairs
* Inception

Does a film NEED an underyling message to be a good film (i.e. 12 Angry Men and Grave of the Fireflies) or can a film simply be a good film because it's entertaining and watchable (i.e The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly and Let the Right One In)?
Did you just list 'The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly,' 'Yojimbo,' 'Let the Right One In,' and hell even 'Inception' as having no underlying meaning???

But anyways yes, I like substance to my films. I am not entertained by stuff like Transformers, but merely find them terrible examples of cinema and it is exhausting watching them.
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Old 04-14-2012, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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I really can't stand movies that hit you over the head with their message. One of my least favorite movies ever was "The Contender." I wanted to take a shower after that one. They come out of the woodwork during presidential election years and close to election day. It could be related to the favorite issue of their favorite candidate as opposed to being about politics but it's all about the timing. I seem to recall there is one due out this year but don't remember the name of it, just chuckled when I heard about the release date.
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