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Fans of Snyder's earlier work will be pleased to learn that his fascination with power, strength, and authoritarian dystopia continues in the recent Batman vs. Superman release:
Previous examples of this apparent obsession include: 300; Watchmen; Guardians of Ga'Hoole; and Man of Steel. Yes, I understand that not all of these movies are explicit celebrations of fascism (though 300 clearly is) — in many cases, fascistic forces are the antagonist. All the same, I think the presence of elements of the ideology in almost every movie Snyder directs is evidence of a perverse attraction. Kind of like how some jerk-off teenagers later become jackass cops. Or the considerable overlap between paranoid gun fetishism and right-wing authoritarian movements.
Let's re-imagine the conclusions of the Gospels and Star Wars as Snyder flicks:
— Jesus Christ uses his bulging abs and deltoids to snap the cross apart and impale Pontius Pilate with the pieces.
— Instead of tossing his lightsaber on the ground, Luke Skywalker, now a hulking gorilla, uses it to decapitate both Vader and the Emperor.
If you want to see how to depict a character like Superman correctly in the present day and age, watch Chris Evan's portrayal of Captain America. He's a hokey Boy Scout but nonetheless charming, and he's prepared to sacrifice himself in order to redeem his friend Bucky.
Other reasons why Batman vs. Superman will likely be bloated, violent trash:
Too many characters and stories to tell with sufficient depth in ~2 hrs (see Spiderman 3). There isn't enough time to review Batman's backstory, have him fight Superman, introduce Lex Luthor, Wonder Woman et al., and have all of the heroes team up to take down Doomsday.
Henry Cavill seems like too much of a brooding misanthrope to play Superman.
Gal Gadot looks too frail to play Wonder Woman. Gina Carano would've been a better choice.
Ben Affleck doesn't play Batman as well as Christian Bale.
Jesse Eisenberg doesn't play the Joker as well as Heath Ledger.
The whole cast should take acting lessons from Amy Adams, Snyder's one inspired choice.
Alright fanboys, let's have it ...
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Too many characters and stories to tell with sufficient depth in ~2 hrs (see Spiderman 3). There isn't enough time to review Batman's backstory, have him fight Superman, introduce Lex Luthor, Wonder Woman et al., and have all of the heroes team up to take down Doomsday. I read that the V in Batman V Superman is not Versus but part 5. Nolan's 1 -3, man of steel #4, this one #5.
Henry Cavill seems like too much of a brooding misanthrope to play Superman. Not really. Superman just revealed himself and he is getting a lot of heat from the incidents of Metropolis
Gal Gadot looks too frail to play Wonder Woman. Gina Carano would've been a better choice. I agree. Gal is too tall.
Ben Affleck doesn't play Batman as well as Christian Bale. Ben's Batman is a more darker version of Bruce/Batman.
Jesse Eisenberg doesn't play the Joker as well as Heath Ledger. lol, what? Jesse plays Lex not the joker.
The whole cast should take acting lessons from Amy Adams, Snyder's one inspired choice.
I share your opinion of Zack Snyder. I suspect he sleeps with Ayn Rand books under his pillow.
I have to disagree about Christian Bale being a good Batman. He was a great Bruce Wayne. Maybe best ever. He was a HORRIBLE Batman. So bad that comedians continue to use it as source material.
Too many characters and stories to tell with sufficient depth in ~2 hrs (see Spiderman 3). There isn't enough time to review Batman's backstory, have him fight Superman, introduce Lex Luthor, Wonder Woman et al., and have all of the heroes team up to take down Doomsday. I read that the V in Batman V Superman is not Versus but part 5. Nolan's 1 -3, man of steel #4, this one #5.
Henry Cavill seems like too much of a brooding misanthrope to play Superman. Not really. Superman just revealed himself and he is getting a lot of heat from the incidents of Metropolis
Gal Gadot looks too frail to play Wonder Woman. Gina Carano would've been a better choice. I agree. Gal is too tall.
Ben Affleck doesn't play Batman as well as Christian Bale. Ben's Batman is a more darker version of Bruce/Batman.
Jesse Eisenberg doesn't play the Joker as well as Heath Ledger. lol, what? Jesse plays Lex not the joker.
The whole cast should take acting lessons from Amy Adams, Snyder's one inspired choice.
The Nolan movies aren't in this cannon at all though there maybe inspirations here and there do it isn't the fifth movie in this series, it is the second. The look of The Joker should give clues to that. Leto's looks much more classic (albeit with stupid prison tattoos) than Ledger's did. The V. is actually similar to court room vs. in trials like the People V. Larry Flint or Plessy V. Ferguson.
Because it is the second movie, for DC to bring in everyone in this fast is rather distracting from making the characters matter. We have to introduce for additional characters of the seven than have been seen in the existing trailers within what, three other movies before Justice League Part One in November 2017 with three other movies (one of which is doing that with Aquaman.) That's why it feels bloated. By comparison, Fox with X-Men slowly introduced more characters to their universe and Marvel had five movies before we ever saw the Avengers Assemble.
If you want to see how to depict a character like Superman correctly in the present day and age, watch Chris Evan's portrayal of Captain America. He's a hokey Boy Scout but nonetheless charming, and he's prepared to sacrifice himself in order to redeem his friend Bucky.
You overlook the fact that Evan's Cap is a guy raised in an altogether different era, but more importantly, whose origin has not been revised/updated — like those of Batman, Superman and Iron Man. If you're one of those people who demands his Superman still comport himself like the Kryptonian Boy Scout (dead giveaway there) of decades past, you're in for a rude awakening.
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Other reasons why Batman vs. Superman will likely be bloated, violent trash:
Too many characters and stories to tell with sufficient depth in ~2 hrs (see Spiderman 3). There isn't enough time to review Batman's backstory, have him fight Superman, introduce Lex Luthor, Wonder Woman et al., and have all of the heroes team up to take down Doomsday.
Straw man argument. Wonder Woman's "introduction" comes in her own film. She'll mainly be in BvS in a support manner, and mainly action. Batman does not require a new origin in order for this movie to work. In fact, there will likely be enough flashback exposition where Batman is concerned to flesh out the DCEU version just enough. It doesn't require another two hours at this stage.
Aquaman and Cyborg will have very minor roles, if not merely cameos.
"Not enough time" for Lex? Seriously? It'll likely be a 140-minute film. Avengers: Age of Ultron introduced Scarlet Witch and Vision, and still had room for a long time-out on a farm. And a bizarrely placed "romance" between Bruce and Natasha.
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Henry Cavill seems like too much of a brooding misanthrope to play Superman.
Or maybe you just need to see him flex his "regular guy" shtick as Clark Kent.
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Gal Gadot looks too frail to play Wonder Woman. Gina Carano would've been a better choice.
Not that again. Gina would not have been a good choice. Also, Wonder Woman's superpowers are mystical in origin. She doesn't need to resemble Chyna.
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Ben Affleck doesn't play Batman as well as Christian Bale.
I guess you've seen the movie. Must be nice.
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Jesse Eisenberg doesn't play the Joker as well as Heath Ledger.
"Two shows nightly! 8 and 10 PM!"
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The whole cast should take acting lessons from Amy Adams, Snyder's one inspired choice.
There you go. Never mind Jeremy Irons. He's some hack, right?
I have to disagree about Christian Bale being a good Batman. He was a great Bruce Wayne. Maybe best ever. He was a HORRIBLE Batman. So bad that comedians continue to use it as source material.
I think you mean George Clooney.
Bale's the first actor to play both Bruce and Batman convincingly. Every other guy could do one or the other (or in Clooney's case, neither).
Because it is the second movie, for DC to bring in everyone in this fast is rather distracting from making the characters matter. We have to introduce for additional characters of the seven than have been seen in the existing trailers within what, three other movies before Justice League Part One in November 2017 with three other movies (one of which is doing that with Aquaman.) That's why it feels bloated. By comparison, Fox with X-Men slowly introduced more characters to their universe and Marvel had five movies before we ever saw the Avengers Assemble.
I'm going to have to disagree with you there, mon! The first time you saw all of those characters in X-Men was in...X-Men!. Since the target demographic is basically "everybody," not solely comics readers, general audiences were wholly unfamiliar with the likes of Magneto, Wolverine, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Storm and Professor X. But nobody seemed to have a problem understanding the tribulations of mutantkind.
In the case of Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman, these characters are already fully ensconced within pop culture, having enjoyed decades of exposure in film and TV. The only "new characters," meaning the ones that have had no prior big screen incarnations, are Aquaman, Cyborg, Flash, and so on (the next Green Lantern will probably be John Stewart, and he's not in BvS). It doesn't look like Flash will be in BvS, and Black Canary won't show up until Justice League: Part One.
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