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Old 07-21-2017, 03:49 PM
 
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The new Wonder Woman movie wasn't a remake.
Then what was it? Because as far as I'm concerned Wonder Woman done it already back in the '70s.

Show me something I don't already know, Hollywood.
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Old 07-21-2017, 04:53 PM
 
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Then what was it? Because as far as I'm concerned Wonder Woman done it already back in the '70s.


Then Superman had already done it back in the 30s, Batman in the 60s. Flash and Captain America in the 90s.

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Show me something I don't already know, Hollywood.
Hollywood releases something like 600-700 movies a year. Have you tried all of them?
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Old 07-21-2017, 06:12 PM
 
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Then what was it? Because as far as I'm concerned Wonder Woman done it already back in the '70s.

Show me something I don't already know, Hollywood.
It was an original story not told in any of the episodes of the '70s Wonder Woman series (or the movie that preceded the show).

By your logic, the TV series was a remake of the comics from the '40s-'60s. Because, you know, that's where it all first happened.
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Old 07-21-2017, 06:34 PM
 
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I have two words for any Wonder Woman reboot(movie or TV):


LYNDA



CARTER
So you think that Lynda Carter should have played Wonder Woman's mother instead of Connie Nielsen? (Although when they first started talking about this movie, I thought about Lucy Lawless playing her mother.)
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Old 07-21-2017, 07:04 PM
 
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Could not possibly disagree more. Ares finally revealing himself is where the movie totally fell apart for me. I really enjoyed WW, but the climactic battle was just typical, seen-it-a-thousand times comic books silliness. The whole "remembering something someone said earlier in the movie" to give the hero a sudden surge of strength has not only been done a thousand times, it has seldom been done well --- and made no sense at all in this movie.
Oh, wow. Well, I'm sorry that you feel that way... However, I'm sure that nearly $400 million dollars worth of domestic fans probably feel differently.

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This movie is a huge hit --- and rightly so --- because it did so much else right. Beautifully right! But the end fight is probably the film's single biggest weakness.
So, Mark... You think that a film with a lousy ending could end up making nearly $400 million dollars domestically? Because usually with a film like you described, people will usually say that they liked it, but that it was ruined at the end... And which usually affects the overall movie.

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Future filmmakers in this genre would do themselves a big favor if they would remember that the final confrontation between hero and villain is NOT about who is stronger. Just keep punching till the strongest one is the last one standing. Yawn. It needs to be about the emotional conflict between the hero and the villain, the hero's inner fortitude that wins the day. The hero's final victory shouldn't be just about punching the bad guy down, but about defeating his or her own inner demons. The hero's REAL struggle is with himself or herself.
But, Mark... That's exactly what the writers of this film did. Because for most of the battle, it seemed like Ares was stronger and was essentially kicking Diana's arse. However, it was the the emotional conflict between the hero and the villain, the hero's inner fortitude that won the day. Also, Diana did defeat her inner demons. Because remember earlier in the movie when Diana was training? And her aunt or her mother(I don't remember) told her that she kept doubting herself? Well, apparently, Diana must have still been doubting her true power when fighting Ares... However, after Steve's death and then focusing on Steve's words, which were counter to the rhetoric that Ares had been feeding her about how horrible mankind was and how they deserved to be destroyed... Diana became focused and was able to recall some of the things that Steve said, and which were the exact opposite to what Ares was hammering into her head. And as a result of that, she said the one famous line before destroying Ares: It's not about "deserve." It's about what you believe. And I believe in Love.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo1etdzeYJw

And perhaps you overlooked this, Mark, because like mkpunk, you may have been a bit hung-up on a movie trope that you perceived as being used a little too much.

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Old 07-21-2017, 07:27 PM
 
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I agree for the same reasons that the end battle was the weakest part of WW (and something Spider-man did right).


I think, though, that the end battle was about WW having to meet and defeat an inner obstacle. In her case, it was a matter of having one life-supporting belief fail and having to come up with another in the heat of battle.


She'd lived and based her entire life and being on one particular belief: Defeat Ares and save the world. Then she was suddenly faced with the truth that all that was false, and thus she was suddenly faced with her greatest foe and no longer had any reason to fight, any reason even to live.


I think they should have done that better in some way. They should have shown her in that moment more susceptible to Are's temptations, then more susceptible to just accepting defeat.


Unfortunately, the director did fall back to just letting it be mostly a slug-fest. But the movie did do so many other things right that it had enough emotional momentum to ride through to the conclusion.
See my post #525.
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Old 07-21-2017, 07:29 PM
 
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All true.

I need to see it again. Maybe this was better answered than I remember, but there was a central part of her mission and character that never made sense to me: Diana was to be champion of Love and Understanding. But how does she go about that? By kickin' ass. Her moral center just seemed very blurry to me.

It kind of reminded me of Billy Jack. "I'm gonna teach you people peace, love, and understanding if I have to kick every ass in town!"

I kept asking myself: Okay, what exactly does Diana mean by "Love?" Happy feelings? Sentiment? Physical attraction? Because somewhere there is a disconnect between what she's saying and what she's doing.
See my post #525.
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Old 07-21-2017, 07:45 PM
 
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So you think that Lynda Carter should have played Wonder Woman's mother instead of Connie Nielsen? (Although when they first started talking about this movie, I thought about Lucy Lawless playing her mother.)
I'm not planning on watching the movie anyway. The old TV series is fine for me.
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Old 07-21-2017, 07:57 PM
 
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All true.

I need to see it again. Maybe this was better answered than I remember, but there was a central part of her mission and character that never made sense to me: Diana was to be champion of Love and Understanding. But how does she go about that?
Also, Mark, you need to explain what you mean by that. Because I don't remember that in the movie. Unless you are talking about Diana as being an Amazon... and the Amazon's role and function in the movie:

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That was, until Zeus created a new race of proud, honorable, skilled women to remind Mankind how to return to the light. These were the Amazons, and they served their purpose well… until Ares decided that time had come to take things to a new level. Before then, they acted as a purer embodiment of what Zeus had instilled in Man. If we’re sticking to a Judeo-Christian idea, it’s tempting to picture the Amazons as something closer to Angels – even if only a lower order, they were created with a purpose to serve Zeus.
Wonder Woman: Amazons' Movie Origin Explained | Screen Rant
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Old 07-21-2017, 07:59 PM
 
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I'm not planning on watching the movie anyway. The old TV series is fine for me.
So is that all that you came to this thread to say? lol
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