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Old 07-18-2016, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Maine
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Same here. That's why Into Darkness was so disappointing. Beaming all the way up to a distant planet was really stretching it, and rendered other goings-on pointless.
Yup.

Both of the ST reboots suffered from techa ex machina. Got a plot point you can't solve? Genius character comes up with new tech! But no one seemed to notice that the tech they introduced in those movies rendered Starfleet inconsequential.

If you can beam someone to a distant planet hundreds of light years away, why have starships?

If you can land a starship in the ocean, why use transporters?

If you have a character named Khan Noonian Singh, why do you cast a paley white British guy to play him?
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Old 07-18-2016, 03:01 PM
 
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Yup.

Both of the ST reboots suffered from techa ex machina. Got a plot point you can't solve? Genius character comes up with new tech! But no one seemed to notice that the tech they introduced in those movies rendered Starfleet inconsequential.

And now with super-tribble blood, you don't need doctors anymore.

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If you have a character named Khan Noonian Singh, why do you cast a paley white British guy to play him?

Well, that can be explained. By the time of Khan Noonian Singh--which is now--there are Brits with pale skin and Indian names.

What is much more difficult to explain is why by the time of TNG there would be Starfleet officers who still retained 20th century national accents and customs. Yes, there might be people like Picard's brother who deliberately made themselves living museums of ancient history, but...heck, people inclined to join Starfleet marry aliens...it's unlikely such people would still have 20th century national accents.
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Old 07-18-2016, 05:42 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Why hasn't Nick Clegg shown up as Harvey Mudd?
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Old 07-18-2016, 05:51 PM
 
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Well, beyond Star Trek Beyond, it's been announced that the next movie will bring back George Kirk, and that's spawning speculation that the Enterprise crew might go back in time to unboot the reboot.
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Old 07-18-2016, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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I really like the new Star Treks. I would have seen this one even if rotten tomatoes was mean to it.

I LOVED the Star Trek Into Darkness, but everyone from the Wrath of Khan generation seemed to hate it with a passion. I wasn't even born before Wrath of Khan so I didn't have that movie affecting my perception of the current films.
Into Darkness is one of my favorite treks of all of them. Back when the Great Bird of the Galaxy set the expectation of a Federation which set a high tone, for some of us, it was still ODD that they had survived so well. Then in TNG in hints and fully explored in DS9 we see how Section 31 just went underground, and did its job to save the Federation from the enemies out there who weren't so nobel. It makes sense that they would preserve both the image and the reality. And then comes the Dominion war, and they quit pretending.

But Into Darkness showed a Federation who in much the same way used image of this mythical Federation to make it look like the dark side had been banished, but just sealed up the hiding place until the attention was over.

Even back with the origional trek, there was a lot of fanfiction where the feds were not nearly so 'noble'.
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Old 07-18-2016, 06:29 PM
 
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By the time of Khan Noonian Singh--which is now--there are Brits with pale skin and Indian names.
And none of them are half as cool as Ricardo Montalban.

Don't get me wrong. I'm a Cumberbatch fan. I love the idea of him being in Star Trek. But not as Khan. There are some roles that are just not Cumberbatchable. That would be like casting Emilia Clarke as Uhura. Nothing at all against Ms. Clarke, whom I love. But if you are recasting Uhura, you don't cast a talented white actress. It's just bad form.
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Old 07-18-2016, 06:36 PM
 
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Even back with the origional trek, there was a lot of fanfiction where the feds were not nearly so 'noble'.
That's not the reason Into Darkness wasn't anywhere near as good a movie as it could have been. It's a Trek movie that wears Star Wears trousers.
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Old 07-18-2016, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Star Trek: Neme-SUCKS, the last of the TNG movies.
Corrected that for you.


A NextGen movie with a Picard clone, that looked NOTHING like Picard.


I loved NextGen during it's years of broadcast, BUT, I can't even watch it anymore. It's aged badly, even MORE so than the majority of the original series.
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Old 07-18-2016, 10:38 PM
 
Location: TOVCCA
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I loved NextGen during it's years of broadcast, BUT, I can't even watch it anymore. It's aged badly, even MORE so than the majority of the original series.
The early seasons yes, the later ones are still interesting, and even relevant now.

The recent ongoing fascination for compulsively playing "Pokemon Go" on cellphones--to the point of players absentmindedly walking off cliffs or into traffic--does pointedly recall the TNG episode, "The Game" from the 5th season, wherein an alien video game caused a similarly debilitating psychological addiction among the crew.
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Old 07-19-2016, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Rutherfordton,NC
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I think it's easy to tear these types of movies apart at some point you have to sit back & try to enjoy it for what it is. It's so easy to over think them.
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