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Old 07-28-2016, 06:09 AM
 
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Yes...... he never stopped loving his first wife especially. He and Nancy remained close to the end of his life. He told his daughter Nancy, he regretted leaving her mother for Ava Gardner. I have seen a photo of Frank embracing his first wife in his old age, shortly before he died.

Nancy Snr is still alive, and is 98 years old.
yes I was just reading about her still being alive.. but surely he would have tried to go back to her knowing she still loved him and for the family.. seems strange.. Never understood the Mia Farrow thing at all. she was a strange stooped thin being, who I couldnt imagine for a second being funny.. she was even a pain in Peyton Place on telly... never took to the girl... for some reason Frank did... no difference , Mia and Ava? chalk and cheese
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Old 07-28-2016, 06:11 AM
 
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Old 07-28-2016, 06:43 AM
 
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oh here we go again a bit of gossip.. harmless now though.. hahaha.. I couldnt go the woman at all she terrified me. and wonder if the wicked Queen in snowhite was modelled on Gloria.. she looked so like her
I knew someone who met Gloria Swanson. He worked at Yorkshire television a long time ago. She arrived there for an interview........ he said, boy, she looked a hard case, even in her old age.

Gloria was a massive star of the silent movie years. Hard for us to grasp just how famous she was.

When she made 'Sunset Boulevard' in 1950, the story was so close to her real life situation, that people got it confused with reality. Not many folks knew that Mae West had been offered the part before Gloria.

Billy Wilder, the director, and co-writer of the screenplay, was a very mischievous individual. When he brought in Gloria's old film director Erich von Stroheim, to play her butler, and secret ex husband, and director....... well, she must have been appalled........ Erich had caused her a lot of problems 20 years before while filming 'Queen Kelly.'

When they brought in Cecil B DeMille to play himself in the movie, also a director Gloria worked with in her heyday, she must have thought, just where is this movie going, and taking me with it!!

But, her performance in 'Sunset Boulevard' is amazing, and unforgettable. Yes, I agree the Wicked Queen in 'Snow White' looks like Gloria!!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlQ8VIQ_IRM
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Old 07-28-2016, 06:56 AM
 
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Amazing bit of info there Dave, didnt know all that and I continually read about old movie stars... all I really knew about Gloria was the JFK father thing that went on for many years.. even with his long suffering wife aware.... I knew she had one or two face lifts but in her case she should just have aged gracefully, a hard quite evil looking woman..
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Old 07-28-2016, 07:35 AM
 
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Amazing bit of info there Dave, didnt know all that and I continually read about old movie stars... all I really knew about Gloria was the JFK father thing that went on for many years.. even with his long suffering wife aware.... I knew she had one or two face lifts but in her case she should just have aged gracefully, a hard quite evil looking woman..
I think all the women stars especially, grew hard in the golden age. It was a man's world, and they somehow had to overcome that, and succeed. Most all of them came from troubled backgrounds. Joan Crawford, it was rumoured, had made porn films before becoming a star. I read Louis B Mayer spent a fortune buying up all known prints of her movies.

Gloria Swanson was driven, and ambitious. Cecil B DeMille made her a star, and she went on through the 1920s marrying a rich titled guy from Europe, and then moving on to JFK's dad, Joseph Kennedy. He made his fortune bootlegging during prohibition. None of those famous folks back then were shrinking violets....

They were different than ordinary folks, and that's why they became stars. Very few of them didn't have events in their lives that caused them shame, and were kept secret. But, once they made it, they set out to remain top of the heap. The men were not averse to using women, and did so. Carole Landis killed herself after Rex Harrison finished their relationship.

Errol Flynn arrived there in 1934, and by sheer luck, landed himself a part that made him a star - 'Captain Blood.' He then set about sleeping with most every woman that crossed his path. It all seemed a great joke until he was arrested, and put on trial for statuary rape. Apparently, two of the girls were underage. He was shocked when they were brought into court wearing very young girl clothing. He shouted, "they weren't dressed like that when I met 'em!!

He was found not guilty, but, it ruined his reputation, and he became a figure of fun. 'In Like Flynn' became the saying of men everywhere. Before they laughed with him, after, it was laughing at him. It was after this, the drinking and drug use got bigger. He died when he was only 50 years old. The autopsy revealed that his body, and organs were in a terrible state from abuse. Still, as he lay dying on the floor, his head was being cradled by his latest underage girlfriend........!

Nobody swashed a buckle quite like Errol Flynn......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MqmpL6X_8w

Olivia de Havilland spoke of loving him back then, and always remembering him fondly for the rest of her life.......



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCRMAmB7cgc


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Old 07-28-2016, 08:03 AM
 
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yes Ive read a good bit about Joan and her murky past.. seems she slept her way up the ladder or so its said... , Bette Davis on the other hand didnt.. both tough ladies though.... Errol came from money, both his parents had good jobs,Theodore Thomson Flynn was an Australian marine biologist and a professor in both Tasmania and the United Kingdom. and Errol had his own boat, it is said that his real life was far more exciting than his movies.. His son disappeared in Cambodia I think it was ... not sure Ill look that up again. yes Cambodia.. he was a photographer.. How Errol Flynn's son was lost in Cambodia https://uk.pinterest.com/pin/65302263320470688/ his grandsons are models, Hell knows where Errol got his good looks from.. not his mum or dad by photos Ive seen... Whatever happened to Errol with the booze I dont know, but he went right off the rails taking up with younger girls..and ruined his looks with the drink...http://www.allthingscrimeblog.com/20...ape-charges-7/

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Old 07-28-2016, 09:08 AM
 
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yes Ive read a good bit about Joan and her murky past.. seems she slept her way up the ladder or so its said... , Bette Davis on the other hand didnt.. both tough ladies though.... Errol came from money, both his parents had good jobs,Theodore Thomson Flynn was an Australian marine biologist and a professor in both Tasmania and the United Kingdom. and Errol had his own boat, it is said that his real life was far more exciting than his movies.. His son disappeared in Cambodia I think it was ... not sure Ill look that up again. yes Cambodia.. he was a photographer.. How Errol Flynn's son was lost in Cambodia https://uk.pinterest.com/pin/65302263320470688/ his grandsons are models, Hell knows where Errol got his good looks from.. not his mum or dad by photos Ive seen... Whatever happened to Errol with the booze I dont know, but he went right off the rails taking up with younger girls..and ruined his looks with the drink...How Errol Flynn, Hollywood
Errol Flynn had an extraordinary life before he even arrived in Hollywood, at 24 years of age. His big mistake was getting married hastily to a woman named Lili Damita. She was the mother of Sean, who you mentioned. After divorce, she skinned him alive for alimony the rest of his life. She even took his home away from him eventually.

He was an interesting, but self destructive man. All his clothing had a ? sewed into it. He was intelligent, and wrote articles for magazines, and a few books. His love of adventure took him to the Spanish Civil War in 1937. He was fearless, and tough. If a member of the public picked a fight with Flynn in a bar, they got one.

He took a lot of anger from the public who wanted to know why this tough guy wasn't away fighting in the war, like so many other stars were. It was kept secret that this apparently supremely fit guy, was in fact, a bit of a physical wreck. He suffered from malaria, tuberculosis, and heart problems. This was kept secret because of the sort of films he made, and the projected image. He tried to join up, and was rejected.

In the silent movie days, most actors were very attractive people. They wondered into the movies, and in the main hadn't done any real acting, like on a stage. When sound arrived in 1927, Hollywood looked for actors who could talk. So, Broadway was combed for talent. Bette Davis was one sent out to Hollywood. She arrived by train with her mother and sister. A guy sent to collect her, came back with nobody. He said, no one on the train resembled any sort of movie star........

After doing a screen test, the studio head watched her, and said, "who in the hell is that?" Then, "which of our leading men will want to kiss HER?" That's what Bette Davis had to deal with, and try to become a star in a place obsessed with physical beauty. Well, the make-up guys got to work, and they did a pretty good job. But, Davis, wanted to be a real actress, but found it difficult to get the best parts.

Her big breakthrough was in a movie called 'Of Human Bondage' in 1934. Warner Brothers loaned her out, after constant begging from Davis. No leading actress in Hollywood wanted to play such an unsympathetic part..........


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-ei7nM0us8

After this, she was seen in a new light. Eventually she got better parts, and eventually became the biggest star at Warner Brothers for years.

She did drama, like 'The Letter'......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWyA6LT0DdU

Comedy..... 'The Bride Came COD.'


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHSnJ9FIy_I

Tearjerkers. Bette has been told she will go blind just before dying....... 'Dark Victory'


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZeIpxAyaxs


Her career at Warners staggered to a close with the delightfully awful 'Beyond The Forest' in 1949. She found another good movie at 20th Century Fox two years later, with 'All About Eve'.......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKHUGvde7KU


The rest of her career was spent making mainly films not worthy of her talent. She had her moments, as in 'Whatever Happened To Baby Jane' in which she tortured Joan Crawford. That cheered her up for sure...... But otherwise, there wan't much too much worth mentioning. But, the work she did at Warners, between 1938 and 1945 is remembered by fans fondly.
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Old 07-28-2016, 12:52 PM
 
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Errol Flynn had an extraordinary life before he even arrived in Hollywood, at 24 years of age. His big mistake was getting married hastily to a woman named Lili Damita. She was the mother of Sean, who you mentioned. After divorce, she skinned him alive for alimony the rest of his life. She even took his home away from him eventually.

He was an interesting, but self destructive man. All his clothing had a ? sewed into it. He was intelligent, and wrote articles for magazines, and a few books. His love of adventure took him to the Spanish Civil War in 1937. He was fearless, and tough. If a member of the public picked a fight with Flynn in a bar, they got one.

He took a lot of anger from the public who wanted to know why this tough guy wasn't away fighting in the war, like so many other stars were. It was kept secret that this apparently supremely fit guy, was in fact, a bit of a physical wreck. He suffered from malaria, tuberculosis, and heart problems. This was kept secret because of the sort of films he made, and the projected image. He tried to join up, and was rejected.

In the silent movie days, most actors were very attractive people. They wondered into the movies, and in the main hadn't done any real acting, like on a stage. When sound arrived in 1927, Hollywood looked for actors who could talk. So, Broadway was combed for talent. Bette Davis was one sent out to Hollywood. She arrived by train with her mother and sister. A guy sent to collect her, came back with nobody. He said, no one on the train resembled any sort of movie star........

After doing a screen test, the studio head watched her, and said, "who in the hell is that?" Then, "which of our leading men will want to kiss HER?" That's what Bette Davis had to deal with, and try to become a star in a place obsessed with physical beauty. Well, the make-up guys got to work, and they did a pretty good job. But, Davis, wanted to be a real actress, but found it difficult to get the best parts.

Her big breakthrough was in a movie called 'Of Human Bondage' in 1934. Warner Brothers loaned her out, after constant begging from Davis. No leading actress in Hollywood wanted to play such an unsympathetic part..........


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-ei7nM0us8

After this, she was seen in a new light. Eventually she got better parts, and eventually became the biggest star at Warner Brothers for years.

She did drama, like 'The Letter'......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWyA6LT0DdU

Comedy..... 'The Bride Came COD.'


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHSnJ9FIy_I

Tearjerkers. Bette has been told she will go blind just before dying....... 'Dark Victory'


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZeIpxAyaxs


Her career at Warners staggered to a close with the delightfully awful 'Beyond The Forest' in 1949. She found another good movie at 20th Century Fox two years later, with 'All About Eve'.......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKHUGvde7KU


The rest of her career was spent making mainly films not worthy of her talent. She had her moments, as in 'Whatever Happened To Baby Jane' in which she tortured Joan Crawford. That cheered her up for sure...... But otherwise, there wan't much too much worth mentioning. But, the work she did at Warners, between 1938 and 1945 is remembered by fans fondly.
.Dark Victory a great performance from Bette..as was Now Voyager and I think she was at her very best in that film with the beautiful dresses by Orry Kelly.. they were classy and could still be worn today.. beautiful clothes.. All About Eve was great with her getting a little older and hamming it up as the aging actress.. great performance..what a woman, but sad in the end with the parts she got offered..and a bit about Errol in England http://www.errolflynnfilmhouse.com/about-us/
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Old 07-28-2016, 01:41 PM
 
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Nice to see Northampton remembers the time Errol spent with them. He is another that is remembered for work done over a short period of time. All his great films were made in an eight year period from 1935-43. It's amazing how so many of the film stars of his period only made great films for such a short time, and yet are remembered all these decades later.
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Old 07-28-2016, 03:21 PM
 
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This thread started out great......and keeps on delivering

Love all the gossips and anecdotes, especially those about Sunset Blvd, I bet we could fill tens of pages of tidbits and trivia on this one alone.

Dave I gather you wanted to focus on the '30s and '40s but since SB although released in 1950 was entirely filmed in 1949 I guess it qualifies lol.

They even had preview screening in december of that year, only the opening scene with Joe face down in the pool was added in 1950.

Like I wrote earlier in the thread I have only watched a handful of movies from that era , fewer still in their entirety but SB I have enjoyed multiple times.

I guess it has me spellbound , it is sort of in its own world and caught in a time warp.
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