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Old 07-08-2017, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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I liked Wonder Woman's dedication to mission, which resonates with me personally, and caused me to re-dedicate myself to mission.
Gal Gadot is and was a great Wonder Woman.Wonder Woman's issues I had weren't with Gal but rather a plot basically used in Captain America: The First Avenger bit with the Paradise Island and Greek mythology in Wonder Woman's mythos.

Spider-Man: Homecoming was fresh. There was no backstory of the radioactive or mutated spider bitting him like in both Spider-Man 1s, Spider-Man clearly looked and felt like a high school movie with Spider-Man rather than a Spider-Man shoehorned into high school (half of Reimi's Spider-Man and all of Marc Webb's The Amazing Spider-Man. It also didn't seem like Parker was an adult but an awkward teen with a mouth.
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Old 07-08-2017, 10:04 PM
 
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Gal Gadot is and was a great Wonder Woman.Wonder Woman's issues I had weren't with Gal but rather a plot basically used in Captain America: The First Avenger bit with the Paradise Island and Greek mythology in Wonder Woman's mythos.

Spider-Man: Homecoming was fresh. There was no backstory of the radioactive or mutated spider bitting him like in both Spider-Man 1s, Spider-Man clearly looked and felt like a high school movie with Spider-Man rather than a Spider-Man shoehorned into high school (half of Reimi's Spider-Man and all of Marc Webb's The Amazing Spider-Man. It also didn't seem like Parker was an adult but an awkward teen with a mouth.
After a while, I got tired of his awkwardness. I was a teen too, and a nerd (I sold freaking Marvel comics on the school steps when I was in junior high in 65). I wrote an 8th grade essay on how comics improved reading and comprehension. I used the Benjamin Grimm as my poster illustration to run for class president in the 8th grade (I didn't win--I realize now that there were probably only two kids in the school who know who the Fantastic Four were).

I have not in my life gotten a basketball through a hoop. I ran track for a year in high school, running long distance because I knew everyone would be gone by the time the race finished.

I was a first class nerd.

But I wasn't that awkward. Not all the time, over the same things. A lot of times, Peter wasn't just awkward, he was a dumb-azz. He's actually supposed to be the smartest kid in a magnet school, which means being able to figure technical things out pretty quickly (which is the forte of a teenaged boy anyway) and do some critical thinking.

He really should have gotten the suit figured out in the time he spent locked in the government vault. He should have come out of that on top of it.
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Old 07-08-2017, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Rutherfordton,NC
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One synopsis I read was Stark gave Parker a suit filled with gadgets. So Iron Spider-Man?


Will wait for the DVD.
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Old 07-09-2017, 12:20 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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After a while, I got tired of his awkwardness. I was a teen too, and a nerd (I sold freaking Marvel comics on the school steps when I was in junior high in 65). I wrote an 8th grade essay on how comics improved reading and comprehension. I used the Benjamin Grimm as my poster illustration to run for class president in the 8th grade (I didn't win--I realize now that there were probably only two kids in the school who know who the Fantastic Four were).

I have not in my life gotten a basketball through a hoop. I ran track for a year in high school, running long distance because I knew everyone would be gone by the time the race finished.

I was a first class nerd.

But I wasn't that awkward. Not all the time, over the same things. A lot of times, Peter wasn't just awkward, he was a dumb-azz. He's actually supposed to be the smartest kid in a magnet school, which means being able to figure technical things out pretty quickly (which is the forte of a teenaged boy anyway) and do some critical thinking.

He really should have gotten the suit figured out in the time he spent locked in the government vault. He should have come out of that on top of it.
If you sold comics, you would know that in the Spider-Man comics Peter was that awkward in the comics. He didn't really fit in during high school. It wasn't until college he was not and got the attention of Gwen Stacy that his life starting turning around socially. He also dated Betty Brant but that kind of went nowhere...
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Old 07-09-2017, 12:23 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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One synopsis I read was Stark gave Parker a suit filled with gadgets. So Iron Spider-Man?


Will wait for the DVD.
Spoiler
The original Civil War suit had a lot of upgrades to them as seen in Captain America: Civil War. Stark turned most off for"training wheels mode."

There was however a tease you that suit but Parker declined it to stay "Your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man" instead.
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Old 07-09-2017, 07:03 AM
 
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If you sold comics, you would know that in the Spider-Man comics Peter was that awkward in the comics. He didn't really fit in during high school. It wasn't until college he was not and got the attention of Gwen Stacy that his life starting turning around socially. He also dated Betty Brant but that kind of went nowhere...
He was never that awkward as Spider-man, which is what clearly talking about. As Spider-man he was always competent.
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Old 07-09-2017, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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I wasn't excited about this movie at all, so I was very surprised by how much I enjoyed it. Awkward teen Peter Parker was a delight, Michael Keaton gave his usual wonderful performance, and that final post-credit scene got the biggest laugh I've heard from a movie audience in a very long time. I think I'm going to go see it again this afternoon.
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Old 07-10-2017, 05:31 AM
 
Location: Leesburg, VA
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I wasn't excited about this movie at all, so I was very surprised by how much I enjoyed it. Awkward teen Peter Parker was a delight, Michael Keaton gave his usual wonderful performance, and that final post-credit scene got the biggest laugh I've heard from a movie audience in a very long time. I think I'm going to go see it again this afternoon.
I will do you one better- this was the best Spider-man movie I have seen in the past ten years.
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Old 07-10-2017, 10:34 AM
 
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Gal Gadot is and was a great Wonder Woman.Wonder Woman's issues I had weren't with Gal but rather a plot basically used in Captain America: The First Avenger bit with the Paradise Island and Greek mythology in Wonder Woman's mythos.

Spider-Man: Homecoming was fresh. There was no backstory of the radioactive or mutated spider bitting him like in both Spider-Man 1s, Spider-Man clearly looked and felt like a high school movie with Spider-Man rather than a Spider-Man shoehorned into high school (half of Reimi's Spider-Man and all of Marc Webb's The Amazing Spider-Man. It also didn't seem like Parker was an adult but an awkward teen with a mouth.
The Webb reboot happened because they wanted a Parker who was still in high school. What's the big difference here, besides Holland's annoying prepubescent voice?

Spider-bite origin was moved over for a V2.0 origin enabled by Stark. Which, to me, ain't Spider-Man if you're still going with Peter Parker-as-webslinger.
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Old 07-10-2017, 10:37 AM
 
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Spider-bite origin was moved over for a V2.0 origin enabled by Stark. Which, to me, ain't Spider-Man if you're still going with Peter Parker-as-webslinger.
?


Peter still references his spider bite in this movie.


This movie takes a major theme from Ironman 3--stated directly by Tony Stark. But that theme is rather artificial, in that Stark creates the problem that Peter has to overcome "It's you, not the suit." When Peter learns that lesson, Tony takes the credit for fine mentoring.


Kind of the same thing Stark did with Toomes...creates the problem that someone else has to overcome...but takes the credit.
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