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Old 08-05-2017, 11:30 AM
 
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Wasnt horrible because it was visually stimulating, but way to long to have such weak story telling.
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Old 08-05-2017, 12:55 PM
 
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In other words, another Avatar.
I realized Avatar was only "Dances with Wolves in Space," which is actually a decent plot. It's the basic "Man Who Learned Better" plot combined with "Rome and Juliet." The acting wasn't the best, but it was competent Hollywood stuff. The acting in Valerian was less than competent. From the very first time the lead characters appeared on the screen, they were cheesy and amateurish.

There are people defending Valerian, comparing it to other films that were initially "misunderstood" and later became cult favorites (like Luc Besson's own The Fifth Element).

But the reason those films were initially panned was because the audience wasn't ready for their new concepts. It wasn't because the plot was holey, the acting was wooden, the pacing was off, or the dialog was stodgy. It was just weird in the minds of the common audience (personally, I adored The Fifth Element from the beginning).

Valarian didn't introduce us to any vastly new concepts (and no, presenting the same idea in CGI that was once done as a practical effect is not a new concept).

Now, back in 1966, the comic book had some new concepts for its day for the comic market, just as Star Trek:TOS introduced some new concepts for the television market (both were 'way behind the literary science fiction market).

But in 2017, we've seen all of the comic Valerian's 1960s, 70s, 80s concepts done a thousand times, even giving credit to Valerian for doing them first.*

You could not do Star Trek:TOS's 1960s concepts, stories, pacing, acting, dialog, et cetera, today with just modern CGI and sell it to modern audiences. This post-Cold War, post-9/11 audience won't buy it.

Bresson might have tried doing with Valerian what Sam Raimi did with Spider-Man: Make it a real and faithful movie version of the comic book. But that's a tricky thing Raimi did right and few others have done as well. The difference between Raimi's Spider-man and Spider-Man: Homecoming is that Raimi did the 1960s comic to a tee for a nostalgic audience; Homecoming is updated for a modern audience.

But the real problem with Valerian that time will never make a cult classic is that it's just a plain poorly done movie. Bad acting, holey plot, bad pacing, bad dialog...without a daringly new concept to cover them. People years later must be able to say, "Wait, I get it now...and dang, that acting was good, too."

*I would absolutely love to see Asmov's Lije Bailey robot detective trilogy done as a movie, but all it's concepts--new and daring at the time--have been so hashed by different media over the years people would simply yawn. Recall: 2070 was already essentially Lije Bailey and R. Daneel Olivaw solving crimes.
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Old 08-05-2017, 03:58 PM
 
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Problem i had with the storyline was the two main characters were supposed to be super agents but came off like a couple of kids experiencing puppy love.totally implausible characters.
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Old 08-10-2017, 10:25 PM
 
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Apparently, this movie performed so poorly... that the few cinemas that are still playing this movie, are not playing it in 3D. And which, in my opinion, makes it not worth seeing at the theater.
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Old 08-11-2017, 05:28 AM
 
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Problem i had with the storyline was the two main characters were supposed to be super agents but came off like a couple of kids experiencing puppy love.totally implausible characters.
And what was up with a major making sexual moves on his sergeant? And making it very clear that he was her commanding officer at the same time.

All kinds of wrong.
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Old 08-11-2017, 08:39 AM
 
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And what was up with a major making sexual moves on his sergeant? And making it very clear that he was her commanding officer at the same time.

All kinds of wrong.
you don't expect hollywood people to have served before do you? as long as it looks good in uniform, that's all they care about
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Old 08-11-2017, 08:53 AM
 
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you don't expect hollywood people to have served before do you? as long as it looks good in uniform, that's all they care about
Nah, they know better than having a boss making sexual moves on a subordinate.


The French may not, though.
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Old 08-25-2017, 08:54 AM
 
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Initial results in China: Valerian has beaten "Cars 3" on opening night for both. Huzzah!


Beaten Cars 3.


Imagine that.


Of course, the Chinese take their children to movies on the weekends like parents do everywhere, so we'll have to see what happens on Saturday night.
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Old 08-25-2017, 11:30 AM
 
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Cars 3 didn't make anywhere near the money of its predecessors.
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Old 08-25-2017, 11:38 AM
 
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Cars 3 didn't make anywhere near the money of its predecessors.
Right.


But Valerian beat it!


Who says Valerian isn't a great movie? It beat something.
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