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Old 08-05-2017, 01:12 PM
 
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Some like Steven Crowder said it's SJW propaganda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSHYp0Q1UtM
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Old 08-06-2017, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Scottsdale
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I've seen and heard some reports of people trying to book tickets to see detroit in their area and have gone online or to apps and theres no listing available for a movie that has its first national showing two days from now.

no news stories yet, but if you check imdb, it'll give you a better idea


is it being blackisted etc?
I would put that in the category of subtle racism - a fear by theater owners of a black audience watching a deeply tense historical film about a riot in the segregated 1960s era when racial profiling was much worse. I am a brown Native American from rural AZ.

Honestly, I think the film is important because, in my experience, black-white racial tension in the midwest is far worse than the southern states like Alabama and Georgia. I went to college in the midwest and lived in North FL near Alabama. The modern white southerners are usually not racist which contrasts how they are depicted. But in the midwest the racial tension was far more intense. There is a lot of "white flight" in those large midwestern cities.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.4e05b0ea486c

So if you take an 18 year old white college student from a "white flight" suburb like Livonia, MI or Chicago's luxurious Lake Shore Drive and put that person in a dorm with black students from the inner cities, then they usually don't get along. I saw that many, many times - far worse than the white southerners of Alabama.
When Notre Dame, a midwestern mostly-white college, played Alabama in the championship a few years ago, I actually felt more comfortable among Alabama fans. Go figure.
U of M President: "I was personally hurt" by racist campus fliers | Michigan Radio

The inner city riots of the 1960s led to the rise of Affirmative Action by President Nixon. The historical evolution is well-described in this link. The problem is that Affirmative Action was Nixon's racist form of a social control policy to pacify the African American communities - it wasn't meant to truly help them. It was ostensibly government policy to help the poor, but the ulterior motive was just to stop the riots. Ironically, many modern minorities protest the end of Affirmative Action. But its roots are really bad - it was born in the midst of the 1960s riots. I am glad Affirmative Action was outlawed in FL and a few other states.
http://www.slate.com/articles/life/h...t_working.html
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Old 08-06-2017, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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Some like Steven Crowder said it's SJW propaganda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSHYp0Q1UtM
Yeah like I am going to base my movie choices on what some loudmouth idiot suggests.
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Old 08-06-2017, 04:58 PM
 
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Yeah like I am going to base my movie choices on what some loudmouth idiot suggests.
I guess this writer of the Atlantic is in the same category as this loudmoutth idiot?
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertai...etroit/535899/

I wonder if Kathryn Bigelow will do a sequel about the 1975 Livernois-Fenkell riot and Poletown?

Edit: Here another vloggers reviews.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkX86d3i8po
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtfYxoTAiEw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdYJtZgYT6M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pvmtea8eUw

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Old 08-06-2017, 05:55 PM
 
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We just saw "Detroit"...and we saw "The Hurt Locker"

Frankly--from someone who sees many, many movies on almost any subject and by any director--I thought this movie was tense, emotional, and effective at capturing its audience (which in my case was theater about half full and 99% Anglos over 40...but was also not as good as "The Hurt Locker" or Spike Lee's "Do the Right Thing" or other movies like "The Thin Blue Line"---
SPOILERS could lie ahead but if you haven't seen the movie why are you here....

I thought Will Poulter was really miscast as a Detroit street cop--he looks 16--he can't smoke with conviction--and his accent drifted in and out...
he projected menace but he has an almost "Puckish" cast to his face (those up-tilting eyebrows just beg for comedy)...and the idea that HE was the one the other cops, National Guard, and state police were allowing to rule the roost just beggered belief...
One of the other cops would have made a more convencing leader and Krauss could have been the weakest of the three...

I thought most of the other actors were not that good--
Anthony Mackie was good but small part and it didn't really use his talent or charisma

And while it is easy to believe this event happened in the manner depicted---I was college age when this happened so remember it fairly well and have no problem believing in police brutality, cover ups or systemic racism---some of the actions (like the homicide detective's initial treatment of Krauss after his FIRST shooting of someone that day) just strained credulity...
The first guy killed really brought so much of that violence on his friends by what he did in acting so irrisponsibly in playing with his starter pistol...
He didn't DESERVE to be killed in ANY respect---but if he had not fired those blanks there would have been NO reason to go to that motel...
I just believe actions have consequences---that guy obviously didn't care about the consequences of his actions in a highly charged environment...

I saw it in Sarasota FL AMC--
There was one AA guy who walked in with bags (suitcases) and walked out before the ending leaving one of the bags---my husband and I didn't quite know what to make of that---
He really looked kind of homeless (had a longer coat on and it was 94 outside when we went into the mall) And you don't see homeless here like you might in larger towns...

Anyway--some of the reviews I read said that there would be Oscar nominations--
I don't think they were that great...
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Old 08-06-2017, 06:25 PM
 
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We just saw "Detroit"...and we saw "The Hurt Locker"

Frankly--from someone who sees many, many movies on almost any subject and by any director--I thought this movie was tense, emotional, and effective at capturing its audience (which in my case was theater about half full and 99% Anglos over 40...but was also not as good as "The Hurt Locker" or Spike Lee's "Do the Right Thing" or other movies like "The Thin Blue Line"---
SPOILERS could lie ahead but if you haven't seen the movie why are you here....

I thought Will Poulter was really miscast as a Detroit street cop--he looks 16--he can't smoke with conviction--and his accent drifted in and out...
he projected menace but he has an almost "Puckish" cast to his face (those up-tilting eyebrows just beg for comedy)...and the idea that HE was the one the other cops, National Guard, and state police were allowing to rule the roost just beggered belief...
One of the other cops would have made a more convencing leader and Krauss could have been the weakest of the three...

I thought most of the other actors were not that good--
Anthony Mackie was good but small part and it didn't really use his talent or charisma

And while it is easy to believe this event happened in the manner depicted---I was college age when this happened so remember it fairly well and have no problem believing in police brutality, cover ups or systemic racism---some of the actions (like the homicide detective's initial treatment of Krauss after his FIRST shooting of someone that day) just strained credulity...
The first guy killed really brought so much of that violence on his friends by what he did in acting so irrisponsibly in playing with his starter pistol...
He didn't DESERVE to be killed in ANY respect---but if he had not fired those blanks there would have been NO reason to go to that motel...
I just believe actions have consequences---that guy obviously didn't care about the consequences of his actions in a highly charged environment...

I saw it in Sarasota FL AMC--
There was one AA guy who walked in with bags (suitcases) and walked out before the ending leaving one of the bags---my husband and I didn't quite know what to make of that---
He really looked kind of homeless (had a longer coat on and it was 94 outside when we went into the mall) And you don't see homeless here like you might in larger towns...

Anyway--some of the reviews I read said that there would be Oscar nominations--
I don't think they were that great...
I found you review interesting, but on that later note about Sarasota's homeless situation, I beg to differ unless things have changed in the last year since I moved from the area. Sarasota had a huge homeless problem that they were spending a lot of money working on to remedy. I guess it was easy to miss depending on where in Sarasota you never drove by.
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Old 08-06-2017, 07:08 PM
 
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We have house south of Sarasota
Rarely go into downtown or Suesta Key and dont fly out of Sarasota
So havent come across significant numbers
Sometimes see someone on rd by local WalMart in Osprey but not like DFW TX where we have main home...
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Old 08-06-2017, 07:30 PM
 
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We have house south of Sarasota
Rarely go into downtown or Suesta Key and dont fly out of Sarasota
So havent come across significant numbers
Sometimes see someone on rd by local WalMart in Osprey but not like DFW TX where we have main home...
That's the Walmart I shopped, most frequently, one of the better ones. And yes, maybe a few now and then by there, but, not a huge issue. Siesta Key, area wasn't known for having a problem with the homeless, at least not when I lived nearby, but just out side of the area and downtown they did. I lived in the Gulf Gate area, sometimes you would see a few people huddle at the bus station near Publix. They eventually placed a security guard to clear the area.

Did you go to Sarasota Square Mall to see the movie? I miss that mall theater, though the one I go to now is nicer, due to the reclining seats, it's just not as easy for me to get to. I know I should go see the movie, but, I'll wait for the video, not because I don't think it's worth going to see, I just no longer go to the theater to see anything that will make me get too emotional and teary eyed. I go to the theater to relieve stress not to feel more of it.
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Old 08-07-2017, 05:53 AM
 
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I guess this writer of the Atlantic is in the same category as this loudmoutth idiot?
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertai...etroit/535899/

I wonder if Kathryn Bigelow will do a sequel about the 1975 Livernois-Fenkell riot and Poletown?

Edit: Here another vloggers reviews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkX86d3i8po

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtfYxoTAiEw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdYJtZgYT6M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pvmtea8eUw
That review from the Atlantic didn't try to turn it into another culture war battlefront that some of you on this thread and Crowderhead made it out to be. The event really happened. Accept it.

BTW it currently holds a 95% on rotten tomatoes
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Old 08-07-2017, 07:03 AM
 
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That review from the Atlantic didn't try to turn it into another culture war battlefront that some of you on this thread and Crowderhead made it out to be. The event really happened. Accept it.

BTW it currently holds a 95% on rotten tomatoes

I accepted it but you should also accept the 1975 Livernois-Fenkell riot and Poletown.

Btw, one guy on Alternatehistory.com wondered how Detroit would had been if he had elected Richard F. Austin in 1969 instead of Coleman A. Young in 1974? https://www.alternatehistory.com/for...t-1969.423248/

Edit: Also, one commenter on Variety mentionned the movie could had performed better if it had been launched in the Fall. http://variety.com/2017/film/news/de...t-list-wrapper

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