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Old 09-11-2017, 03:38 AM
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Originally Posted by William Taylor View Post
What do you think is the appeal of spy movies? Is it the action? The danger? The suspense? Or could it be the appeal to the human mind of spying on someone without them really knowing it.

Also, I googled the words Spy Movies, and quite a few spy movies have been made:

Spy Movies (And click on the right-arrow to the right of movie row.)

Also, see this:

Best Spy Movies of the 21st Century So Far | Collider
Depends on the person.

One thing I find is that people forget they are watching a spy movie. Take "You Only Live Twice" where an audience have criticized Bond asking Tiger to translate something written in Japanese when before he told Moneypenny that he took a first in oriental languages.

"Hello! It is a spy movie!". Bond could be asking Tiger to translate to see if he can trust him since he has already read it. Bond may be diplomatic and not want to lord over his host with superior knowledge. Etc.

There are some things about spy movies that don't necessarily translate well in the movies. There was an episode of Jason King with supposedly the police ally didn't seem to broken up when one of his men gets killed on a minor mission. When I saw that, I took it as bad production values but as it turned out, since he was a traitor, that lack of remorse was part of the error of his character.

So when these things show up, is it part of the story, bad production, or something we should not assume took place off camera (like the situation of The Mexican Connection in Charlie's Angels) or maybe we should assume a "somehow" (like Blofeld destroying the submerged Soviet missile sub in Diamonds are Forever).

BASICALLY, I am more attracted to movies for their suspense and to a lesser extent danger than their action. These days, it seems like the movies are all about the action and hardly have anything of a story.

Movies I can watch time and again, of the serious nature and are no way comedies (Hopscotch is one heck of a movie....but it is a comedy), are those like Innocent Bystanders, The Living Daylights, For Your Eyes Only, The Osterman Weekend, Operation Crossbow, Puppet on a Chain, Fear is the Key, The Internecine Project, The Rhinemann Exchange, Zeppelin, Three Days of the Condor, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, North by Northwest, Harry Palmer flicks, Commandos, and Clear and Present Danger.

I'm leaving out Ronin for, to me, Ronin is more of a crime movie and less of a spy movie. True, most are former spies but what agency do they work for, who gives them their license to be outside the law? Mind you, that is just my definition to this subject.

Movies I will rarely touch again are ones like When Eight Bells Toll, Casino Royale, and the first Bourne flick (haven't seen the rest). I watched five minutes of a Mission: Impossible flick and left it there for the movie was more about the team cutting up each other than working together.

One movie that I would watch again is The Debt (2007) - IMDb but I don't think I would watch The Debt (2010) - IMDb again. What's the difference? When the cast is unknown to the viewer, it becomes more about the story but when there is a big name in it, it may not.

Tuesday is my "DIE, Spy!" night and I can approach why constitutes a spy from many angles. Usually, I don't have much time to watch more than a sitcom (I know, comedy) or so of a TV show, but those can run from Get Smart to Jack of All Trades to Hogan's Heroes to The Man from UNCLE to The Wild, Wild West to what I watched last week or so, two episodes of "My Favorite Martian".

I mean, consider the basics of the story: someone, an alien, comes to this planet to conduct covert surveillance and has been doing so on many missions. If that is not a spy, what is?

Depends on the person.

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Old 09-12-2017, 09:25 AM
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There are 2 spy movies (espionage) that I really liked and I don't know if they were listed in the slide show as it just locked up on me.. wouldn't go past the 1st slide.

Eye of the Needle with Donald Sutherland

No way out with Kevin Costner
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Old 09-12-2017, 04:37 PM
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Tamara, you just earned a rep from me for listing The Living Daylights. One of my favorite Bond movies, and one of my favorite Bonds (the very underrated Timothy Dalton).
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Old 09-13-2017, 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by dtuba View Post
Tamara, you just earned a rep from me for listing The Living Daylights. One of my favorite Bond movies, and one of my favorite Bonds (the very underrated Timothy Dalton).
Thank you!

I do believe I have read all the Ian Fleming Bond books (but not The Diamond Smugglers, that paperback is on the shelf somewhere), so it is much easier to understand Timothy Dalton's Bond; he was playing a book Bond.......almost.

One quality of the book Bond that Dalton didn't have is Bond's womanizing. There is a line in the book Casino Royale where Bond thinks, about Vesper I believe, "Women were for entertainment.". Of course, a movie that treated women as Bond treated them in the books probably would not go that far today at all. This womanizing quality was probably found more in Moore's Bond such as in "Live and Let Die" with Solitaire. Think about it for a moment as he sleeps with Kananga's woman to make her a target, to use her as a pawn. As he told Quarrel, Jr., "That's very valuable cargo we have, he will want her back.".

Having read all the books, including the short stories, including the actual book "The Spy Who Loved Me", I can see in the movies where various aspects came from. Shafting the killer of one's parents with a bolt was not an original idea by the movie makers, for instance.

As with the books, perhaps there are just some things that won't work well for the movies, even in this day of horrifics. I have not seen the current movies beyond Craig's first flick, but I don't believe any of the movies have used "The Pressure Room" as described in "You Only Live Twice" yet. I suppose the closet they have come to that is the reversal in the teaser of "Diamonds are Forever" but even that, was rather mild.

Favorite Bond flick of the franchise? Well, given my dreams today where I dreampt that The Eiger Sanction was a subplot in Live and Let Die, one might say the latter and I do watch that one often enough but I would have to say it is On Her Majesty's Secret Service........certainly a movie where Bond womanizes.

"Oh, no, no, no Mr. Bond! Respected Barons of the college of heralds do not seduce female patients in clinics. They do, however, get their professional facts Right!"........did Blofeld in a monologue once.
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