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Old 12-25-2017, 09:30 PM
 
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Rian Johnson didn't have Lando be the codebreaker because that character was supposed to be a duplicitous snake who sells the rebels out in the end.
So that would be too obvious of an homage to Empire?
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Old 12-27-2017, 07:07 AM
 
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Tran outshone Boyega, but they really weren't given much to do, and the whole sequence on the planet with the casino and the monster horsies was a bore. I think Disney forced all that in.
I don't know if Disney forced it in, but it definitely felt pointless, tacked on, and made ultimately no sense at all.


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That kind of stuff bothers me because time is treated in Star Wars like real time on Earth, and distances are negligible. We get the sense that Rey is with Luke for weeks. We think Finn and Rose are gone for 48 hours. Yet everything aboard the cruisers seems to be taking place over hours.
Very true. Although I would hasten to point out that the original trilogy wasn't guiltless of that. Even EMPIRE, which most of the world (except me) thinks is the best STAR WARS movie, was very guilty of this. Luke is apparently on Dagobah for several weeks at least, but Han and Leia and crew are in the asteroid maybe a day, then off to Bespin for a day or two at most, then they all meet up at the same time. Timeline doesn't match at all, unless Dagobah exists in some sort of mystical time warp.


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Are you referring to the final scene, before the credits?
I am referring to the slave kids on Vegas World. This movie would have been SOOOO much better had the creators had the guts to movie away from the Good Guys fighting the Evil Empire and do a much smaller good vs. evil story. Even one as simple as freeing slaves. That would be one that not only would relate to Rey directly, who grew up under very much the same circumstances, but would also give Leia and the Alliance something to do --- now that they have defeated the Empire, they have the job of creating a just society and are realizing it ain't so easy. There is more to being good than just blowing up the bad guys.

In short: Lucasfilm and Disney had a chance to do something special with a new trilogy. Instead they chose the easy route and gave us an inferior re-tread of the same story with a cartoon plot populated by cartoon villains.
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Old 12-27-2017, 10:44 AM
 
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I am referring to the slave kids on Vegas World. This movie would have been SOOOO much better had the creators had the guts to movie away from the Good Guys fighting the Evil Empire and do a much smaller good vs. evil story. Even one as simple as freeing slaves. That would be one that not only would relate to Rey directly, who grew up under very much the same circumstances, but would also give Leia and the Alliance something to do --- now that they have defeated the Empire, they have the job of creating a just society and are realizing it ain't so easy. There is more to being good than just blowing up the bad guys.

In short: Lucasfilm and Disney had a chance to do something special with a new trilogy. Instead they chose the easy route and gave us an inferior re-tread of the same story with a cartoon plot populated by cartoon villains.
Somehow I don't think "Rebels freeing slave kids on Vega$ World" landed on the conference table. I don't think they could stretch that out across an entire movie and keep it interesting. The movie is one group of people fleeing their attackers, while the principal character hangs out on a distant world with her mentor. Just like Empire, but with a different climax. Every time the narrative moved away from Rey and Luke, the movie got slower.
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Old 12-27-2017, 09:50 PM
 
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It was just a good old-fashioned movie.
People read too much into it, and expect it to fulfill their own expectations.

Yes, there were a lot of plot stretchers in there, and and all the threads tied back together, and it was a lot of fun.

I rather liked how Snoke managed to relegate himself to being nothing more than a Mcguffin.
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Old 12-28-2017, 04:01 AM
 
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It was just a good old-fashioned movie.
People read too much into it, and expect it to fulfill their own expectations.

Yes, there were a lot of plot stretchers in there, and and all the threads tied back together, and it was a lot of fun.

I rather liked how Snoke managed to relegate himself to being nothing more than a Mcguffin.
I totally agree.

When watching the movie, some of the seeming time inconsistencies did cross my mind as well as the strange plot elements, but the whole movie was so entertaining I could care less.

In my opinion, this movie was as close to the spirit of the original Star Wars trilogy than any of the other movies that came out prior. A lot of good fun and intense action, but with a little more drama and depth than the original trilogy.
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Old 12-28-2017, 09:46 AM
 
Location: East Flatbush, Brooklyn
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So that would be too obvious of an homage to Empire?
No, because Lando is one of the good guys now. And if Johnson had made Lando be the code breaker, no one would've believed he had sold the rebels out. Everyone would've just assumed he had given the appearance of selling out the rebels but had secretly done it to help them.

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Old 12-28-2017, 09:57 AM
 
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Tran outshone Boyega, but they really weren't given much to do, and the whole sequence on the planet with the casino and the monster horsies was a bore. I think Disney forced all that in.
Okay, not that I loved the sequence (it felt like filler), but am I the only one who got that it was supposed to be a twist on the "hive of scum and villainy" Mos Eisley theme? It seems as if every one of these movies, there's going to be a "Mos Eisley" location and that in this film, instead of having it be a dive bar or something, they made it into a high class Monaco type resort with super rich people. There was even music playing that was reminiscent of the Mos Eisley music from ANH.

Again, not saying it was a great sequence but I do think there was a creative reason behind it.
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Old 12-28-2017, 03:08 PM
 
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Interesting the extreme hate of the movie by some.

Hey, I've always acknowledged that we all have differing opinions, but imagine if I had rained the same hate on some super hero or comic book movie. The fan boys would then be up all over my rear end. "If you don't like it, why post in this thread, whaaaaaa."
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Old 12-28-2017, 03:33 PM
 
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Okay, not that I loved the sequence (it felt like filler), but am I the only one who got that it was supposed to be a twist on the "hive of scum and villainy" Mos Eisley theme? It seems as if every one of these movies, there's going to be a "Mos Eisley" location and that in this film, instead of having it be a dive bar or something, they made it into a high class Monaco type resort with super rich people. There was even music playing that was reminiscent of the Mos Eisley music from ANH.

Again, not saying it was a great sequence but I do think there was a creative reason behind it.
No, you're not the only one. I just didn't care for it. It reminded me too much of the prequels, tonally speaking.
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Old 12-28-2017, 07:46 PM
 
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Star Wars: Attack of the Mary Sue should be the next film!
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