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Old 01-02-2018, 07:48 AM
 
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Old 01-02-2018, 08:07 AM
 
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I suspect that sequence will be forgotten entirely in the future.

But if they don't, they've also inserted a whole new issue in the story that they'll have to handle.

What they've done is create "villain behind the villain." The story is no longer about the Allies versus the Axis, they've now introduced "The Oligarchy Controlling Both Sides."

Lucas had avoided this in the prequel trilogy by making the arms dealers discrete worlds allied with one side or the other. Clone Wars provided details that the line could be blurred--some worlds wobbled between one side or the other, a few renegades could operated under the table--but it was still a pretty simple matter of Allies versus Axis.

The Axis would never allow its own arms industries to sell arms to the Allies. If the post-empire world has seen the rise of a Daddy Warbucks oligarchy with the power to operate boldly above the fray, they've shifted the fight to a level above merely fighting the First Order...now they need to get to the Oligarchy Controlling Both Sides.

But I suspect this entire sequence was merely an insertion of social cause fan support (they love puppies, too).

But this stems from nobody ever having actually fleshed out this universe in the first place. We have a lot to complain about the prequels, but a poorly fleshed out universe isn't one of them.
Agreed. The history of the New Republic between the Fall of Palpatine and Rise of Snoke needs to be fleshed out. If the New Republic had been doing great then there wouldn't be room the the First Order to rise.
To be fair some of the problems of this film was inherited from TFA.
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Old 01-02-2018, 08:11 AM
 
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Clearly the old movies were better because the good white males defeated the evil white males!
I don't agree with this sentiment but I definitely think it is a mistake on the director's part to make the First Order ships so monochromatic.
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Old 01-02-2018, 08:25 AM
 
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I don't agree with this sentiment but I definitely think it is a mistake on the director's part to make the First Order ships so monochromatic.
There a a background to that (touched on in Star Wars: Rebels, which is still canon source material)--Palpatine did not like either non-humans or clones, so both were removed from the Imperial forces (with a couple of notable exceptions).

I don't know if it can be said that the First Order was devoid of non-white humans or females--there were, after all, Finn and Phasma, and I think I saw a couple of others.
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Old 01-02-2018, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Camberville
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I just saw it and I did enjoy it. Was it the best SW movie...no it was not. These new characters are not the equals of the heroes of the original movies. Rey is no Luke, Kylo Ren is no Darth Vader, Po and Finn are no Leia or Han Solo. No contest, the older characters are better, they are more authentic and believable heroes.


I also did not like the way they portray the older Luke as a bitter old man obsessed with failure. I believe Leia should have been the one to sacrifice herself to destroy the first order fleet. She also seemed to be treated as a sort of helpless character, not the brave princess she was. I realize this trilogy is about the new characters but they could have portrayed these characters truer to thier original attributes.

Still given these beefs I have with the movie I still enjoyed it. As a gen Xer I may be biased in my views, I also realize these new movies are written for millenials and even younger audiences.
Maybe it's because I'm a Millennial, but I find these characters far more believable than the original crew and also was not at all thrown by Luke. Luke was never Obi Wan Kenobi and he was never Yoda - he was seriously flawed and that's what made him a good hero.
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Old 01-02-2018, 08:38 AM
 
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Star Wars: Attack of the Mary Sue should be the next film!
Leaving the film, my boyfriend turned to me and said, "So there are plot holes but who violently hates this movie?"

My response: "Profoundly insecure dudes."

Thanks for proving my point.
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Old 01-02-2018, 08:47 AM
 
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There a a background to that (touched on in Star Wars: Rebels, which is still canon source material)--Palpatine did not like either non-humans or clones, so both were removed from the Imperial forces (with a couple of notable exceptions).

I don't know if it can be said that the First Order was devoid of non-white humans or females--there were, after all, Finn and Phasma, and I think I saw a couple of others.
Both are in masks. I think everyone that talked on a bridge were white. Snoke is probably non-human though.
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Old 01-02-2018, 09:01 AM
 
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Leaving the film, my boyfriend turned to me and said, "So there are plot holes but who violently hates this movie?"

My response: "Profoundly insecure dudes."

Thanks for proving my point.
Yeah the film prove the film's women commanders were incompetent and the mutiny was justified and the girl power sjws can't win a war!
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Old 01-02-2018, 09:03 AM
 
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Both are in masks. I think everyone that talked on a bridge were white. Snoke is probably non-human though.
Black brits sound an awful lot like white Brits (at least to a non-Brit).

Ultimately, Star Wars is no more white than most other movies still are.
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Old 01-02-2018, 09:03 AM
 
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Yeah the film prove the film's women commanders were incompetent and the mutiny was justified and the girl power sjws can't win a war!
Bless your heart.
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