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Old 04-17-2018, 01:39 PM
 
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Remember, it's all "show business."
As long as you're "buying" they're "selling."
Stop patronizing grot, and they'll stop pumping it out.
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Old 04-18-2018, 01:36 PM
 
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Just read a post here in C-D that the classic movie " Papillon" is being remade. This to me is the problem with Hollywood. I'm sorry, but Charlie Hunnam and Remy Malik will add nothing to the role of Papillon and Dega. There are plenty of great novels with new ideas to make movies out of without rehashing a classic perfectly cast movie. What happened to movie creativity indeed?
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Old 04-18-2018, 09:26 PM
 
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A decline from when? There have always been dumb, crappy, unmemorable movies made. They're not the ones that get talked about years later.

If you want something non-mainstream, you won't find that at your average mall theater. Go to your nearest college campus film series or art house theater.
Then go back and compare best picture nominees in the Ď90s and now. Itís depressing.
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Old 04-18-2018, 09:27 PM
 
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Independent films...
Some are good, many are not as good as the types of movies they used to make.
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Old 04-19-2018, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Maine
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Then go back and compare best picture nominees in the Ď90s and now. Itís depressing.
Well, I think the Oscars are a sad joke anyway. But just for purposes of discussion, I looked up the Best Picture winners going back to 1950. It confirmed what I thought: Not much has changed. Hollywood has put out great movies and bad movies for years and continues to do so.

2015 - "Spotlight" --- Havenít seen it.
2014 - "Birdman" --- Great style. Not much substance.
2013 - "12 Years a Slave" --- GREAT movie.
2012 - "Argo" --- GREAT movie.
2011 - "The Artist" --- Havenít seen it.
2010 - "The King's Speech" --- Havenít seen it.
2009 - "The Hurt Locker" --- Havenít seen it.
2008 - "Slumdog Millionaire" --- Havenít seen it.
2007 - "No Country for Old Men" --- Good movie? Yes. Great movie? No.
2006 - "The Departed" --- GREAT movie.
2005 - "Crash" --- Havenít seen it.
2004 - "Million Dollar Baby" --- Havenít seen it.
2003 - "The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King" --- Good movie? Yes. Great movie? No.
2002 - "Chicago" --- Meh.
2001 - "A Beautiful Mind" --- Havenít seen it.
2000 - "Gladiator" --- A beautiful bad movie.
1999 - "American Beauty" --- Meh.
1998 - "Shakespeare in Love" --- Good. Not great.
1997 - "Titanic" --- Over-rated melo-drama.
1996 - "The English Patient" --- UGH!!! Just kill me now, please.
1995 - "Braveheart" --- Good. Not great.
1994 - "Forrest Gump" --- Meh.
1993 - "Schindlerís List" --- GREAT movie.
1992 - "Unforgiven" --- GREAT movie.
1991 - "The Silence of the Lambs" --- GREAT movie.
1990 - "Dances With Wolves" --- GREAT movie.
1989 - "Driving Miss Daisy" --- A sweet movie. Great? No.
1988 - "Rain Man" --- A sweet movie. Great? No.
1987 - "The Last Emperor" --- Good. Not great.
1986 - "Platoon" --- Good. Not great.
1985 - "Out of Africa" --- Havenít seen it.
1984 - "Amadeus" --- Great movie.
1983 - "Terms of Endearment" --- Great movie.
1982 - "Gandhi" --- GREAT movie.
1981 - "Chariots of Fire" --- Meh.
1980 - "Ordinary People" --- Good movie.
1979 - "Kramer vs. Kramer" --- Good movie. Great? No.
1978 - "The Deer Hunter" --- Over-rated.
1977 - "Annie Hall" --- UGH!!! Just kill me already.
1976 - "Rocky" --- GREAT movie.
1975 - "One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest" --- GREAT movie.
1974 - "The Godfather Part II" --- GREAT movie.
1973 - "The Sting" --- Good movie.
1972 - "The Godfather" --- THE GREATEST AMERICAN FILM EVER MADE.
1971 - "The French Connection" --- Good, if very over-rated movie.
1970 - "Patton" --- GREAT movie.
1969 - "Midnight Cowboy" --- Good movie.
1968 - "Oliver!" --- Meh
1967 - "In the Heat of the Night" --- Havenít seen it.
1966 - "A Man for All Seasons" --- Havenít seen it.
1965 - "The Sound of Music" --- My eyes are rolling.
1964 - "My Fair Lady" --- Havenít seen it.
1963 - "Tom Jones" --- Havenít seen it.
1962 - "Lawrence of Arabia" --- PERHAPS THE GREATEST MOVIE EVER MADE.
1961 - "West Side Story" --- Puh-leez.
1960 - "The Apartment" --- Havenít seen it.
1959 - "Ben-Hur" --- Good movie.
1958 - "Gigi" --- --- Havenít seen it.
1957 - "The Bridge on the River Kwai" --- GREAT movie.
1956 - "Around the World in 80 Days" --- Havenít seen it.
1955 - "Marty" --- Havenít seen it.
1954 - "On the Waterfront" --- GREAT movie.
1953 - "From Here to Eternity" --- Havenít seen it.
1952 - "The Greatest Show on Earth" --- Are you serious?
1951 - "An American in Paris" --- Havenít seen it.
1950 - "All About Eve" --- Havenít seen it.
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Old 04-24-2018, 12:37 PM
 
Location: not where you are
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Well, I think the Oscars are a sad joke anyway. But just for purposes of discussion, I looked up the Best Picture winners going back to 1950. It confirmed what I thought: Not much has changed. Hollywood has put out great movies and bad movies for years and continues to do so.

2015 - "Spotlight" --- Havenít seen it.
2014 - "Birdman" --- Great style. Not much substance.
2013 - "12 Years a Slave" --- GREAT movie.
2012 - "Argo" --- GREAT movie.
2011 - "The Artist" --- Havenít seen it.
2010 - "The King's Speech" --- Havenít seen it.
2009 - "The Hurt Locker" --- Havenít seen it.
2008 - "Slumdog Millionaire" --- Havenít seen it.
2007 - "No Country for Old Men" --- Good movie? Yes. Great movie? No.
2006 - "The Departed" --- GREAT movie.
2005 - "Crash" --- Havenít seen it.
2004 - "Million Dollar Baby" --- Havenít seen it.
2003 - "The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King" --- Good movie? Yes. Great movie? No.
2002 - "Chicago" --- Meh.
2001 - "A Beautiful Mind" --- Havenít seen it.
2000 - "Gladiator" --- A beautiful bad movie.
1999 - "American Beauty" --- Meh.
1998 - "Shakespeare in Love" --- Good. Not great.
1997 - "Titanic" --- Over-rated melo-drama.
1996 - "The English Patient" --- UGH!!! Just kill me now, please.
1995 - "Braveheart" --- Good. Not great.
1994 - "Forrest Gump" --- Meh.
1993 - "Schindlerís List" --- GREAT movie.
1992 - "Unforgiven" --- GREAT movie.
1991 - "The Silence of the Lambs" --- GREAT movie.
1990 - "Dances With Wolves" --- GREAT movie.
1989 - "Driving Miss Daisy" --- A sweet movie. Great? No.
1988 - "Rain Man" --- A sweet movie. Great? No.
1987 - "The Last Emperor" --- Good. Not great.
1986 - "Platoon" --- Good. Not great.
1985 - "Out of Africa" --- Havenít seen it.
1984 - "Amadeus" --- Great movie.
1983 - "Terms of Endearment" --- Great movie.
1982 - "Gandhi" --- GREAT movie.
1981 - "Chariots of Fire" --- Meh.
1980 - "Ordinary People" --- Good movie.
1979 - "Kramer vs. Kramer" --- Good movie. Great? No.
1978 - "The Deer Hunter" --- Over-rated.
1977 - "Annie Hall" --- UGH!!! Just kill me already.
1976 - "Rocky" --- GREAT movie.
1975 - "One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest" --- GREAT movie.
1974 - "The Godfather Part II" --- GREAT movie.
1973 - "The Sting" --- Good movie.
1972 - "The Godfather" --- THE GREATEST AMERICAN FILM EVER MADE.
1971 - "The French Connection" --- Good, if very over-rated movie.
1970 - "Patton" --- GREAT movie.
1969 - "Midnight Cowboy" --- Good movie.
1968 - "Oliver!" --- Meh
1967 - "In the Heat of the Night" --- Havenít seen it.
1966 - "A Man for All Seasons" --- Havenít seen it.
1965 - "The Sound of Music" --- My eyes are rolling.
1964 - "My Fair Lady" --- Havenít seen it.
1963 - "Tom Jones" --- Havenít seen it.
1962 - "Lawrence of Arabia" --- PERHAPS THE GREATEST MOVIE EVER MADE.
1961 - "West Side Story" --- Puh-leez.
1960 - "The Apartment" --- Havenít seen it.
1959 - "Ben-Hur" --- Good movie.
1958 - "Gigi" --- --- Havenít seen it.
1957 - "The Bridge on the River Kwai" --- GREAT movie.
1956 - "Around the World in 80 Days" --- Havenít seen it.
1955 - "Marty" --- Havenít seen it.
1954 - "On the Waterfront" --- GREAT movie.
1953 - "From Here to Eternity" --- Havenít seen it.
1952 - "The Greatest Show on Earth" --- Are you serious?
1951 - "An American in Paris" --- Havenít seen it.
1950 - "All About Eve" --- Havenít seen it.

Hilarious!
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Old 04-24-2018, 11:12 PM
 
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Well, I think the Oscars are a sad joke anyway. But just for purposes of discussion, I looked up the Best Picture winners going back to 1950. It confirmed what I thought: Not much has changed. Hollywood has put out great movies and bad movies for years and continues to do so.

2015 - "Spotlight" --- Haven’t seen it.
2014 - "Birdman" --- Great style. Not much substance.
2013 - "12 Years a Slave" --- GREAT movie.
2012 - "Argo" --- GREAT movie.
2011 - "The Artist" --- Haven’t seen it.
2010 - "The King's Speech" --- Haven’t seen it.
2009 - "The Hurt Locker" --- Haven’t seen it.
2008 - "Slumdog Millionaire" --- Haven’t seen it.
2007 - "No Country for Old Men" --- Good movie? Yes. Great movie? No.
2006 - "The Departed" --- GREAT movie.
2005 - "Crash" --- Haven’t seen it.
2004 - "Million Dollar Baby" --- Haven’t seen it.
2003 - "The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King" --- Good movie? Yes. Great movie? No.
2002 - "Chicago" --- Meh.
2001 - "A Beautiful Mind" --- Haven’t seen it.
2000 - "Gladiator" --- A beautiful bad movie.
1999 - "American Beauty" --- Meh.
1998 - "Shakespeare in Love" --- Good. Not great.
1997 - "Titanic" --- Over-rated melo-drama.
1996 - "The English Patient" --- UGH!!! Just kill me now, please.
1995 - "Braveheart" --- Good. Not great.
1994 - "Forrest Gump" --- Meh.
1993 - "Schindler’s List" --- GREAT movie.
1992 - "Unforgiven" --- GREAT movie.
1991 - "The Silence of the Lambs" --- GREAT movie.
1990 - "Dances With Wolves" --- GREAT movie.
1989 - "Driving Miss Daisy" --- A sweet movie. Great? No.
1988 - "Rain Man" --- A sweet movie. Great? No.
1987 - "The Last Emperor" --- Good. Not great.
1986 - "Platoon" --- Good. Not great.
1985 - "Out of Africa" --- Haven’t seen it.
1984 - "Amadeus" --- Great movie.
1983 - "Terms of Endearment" --- Great movie.
1982 - "Gandhi" --- GREAT movie.
1981 - "Chariots of Fire" --- Meh.
1980 - "Ordinary People" --- Good movie.
1979 - "Kramer vs. Kramer" --- Good movie. Great? No.
1978 - "The Deer Hunter" --- Over-rated.
1977 - "Annie Hall" --- UGH!!! Just kill me already.
1976 - "Rocky" --- GREAT movie.
1975 - "One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest" --- GREAT movie.
1974 - "The Godfather Part II" --- GREAT movie.
1973 - "The Sting" --- Good movie.
1972 - "The Godfather" --- THE GREATEST AMERICAN FILM EVER MADE.
1971 - "The French Connection" --- Good, if very over-rated movie.
1970 - "Patton" --- GREAT movie.
1969 - "Midnight Cowboy" --- Good movie.
1968 - "Oliver!" --- Meh
1967 - "In the Heat of the Night" --- Haven’t seen it.
1966 - "A Man for All Seasons" --- Haven’t seen it.
1965 - "The Sound of Music" --- My eyes are rolling.
1964 - "My Fair Lady" --- Haven’t seen it.
1963 - "Tom Jones" --- Haven’t seen it.
1962 - "Lawrence of Arabia" --- PERHAPS THE GREATEST MOVIE EVER MADE.
1961 - "West Side Story" --- Puh-leez.
1960 - "The Apartment" --- Haven’t seen it.
1959 - "Ben-Hur" --- Good movie.
1958 - "Gigi" --- --- Haven’t seen it.
1957 - "The Bridge on the River Kwai" --- GREAT movie.
1956 - "Around the World in 80 Days" --- Haven’t seen it.
1955 - "Marty" --- Haven’t seen it.
1954 - "On the Waterfront" --- GREAT movie.
1953 - "From Here to Eternity" --- Haven’t seen it.
1952 - "The Greatest Show on Earth" --- Are you serious?
1951 - "An American in Paris" --- Haven’t seen it.
1950 - "All About Eve" --- Haven’t seen it.
I said to look at the nominees for best picture, not just the winners. Take 1994 for instance. All the nominees were GREAT (I disagree that Forrest Gump was meh).

1994 Oscar Nominees

Picture: "Forrest Gump," "Four Weddings and a Funeral," "Pulp Fiction," "Quiz Show," "The Shawshank Redemption."

Here is the list of 2018 Oscar nominations:

Best Picture:

“Call Me by Your Name”
“Darkest Hour”
“Dunkirk”
“Get Out”
“Lady Bird”
“Phantom Thread”
“The Post”
“The Shape of Water”
“Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri”

Even with the expanded field of nominees in 2018, not one of those movies will be a movie you’d still be watching more than 20 years later except maybe “Get Out,” but that’s just a mediocre horror movie and they always have fans. Every movie nominee in 1994 still holds up today, and at least three of the five are on my all-time best list.
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Old 04-25-2018, 07:49 AM
 
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I said to look at the nominees for best picture, not just the winners.
That's too much homework!


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Picture: "Forrest Gump," "Four Weddings and a Funeral," "Pulp Fiction," "Quiz Show," "The Shawshank Redemption."
All good to great movies, yes.


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Here is the list of 2018 Oscar nominations:

Best Picture:

ďCall Me by Your NameĒ
ďDarkest HourĒ
ďDunkirkĒ
ďGet OutĒ
ďLady BirdĒ
ďPhantom ThreadĒ
ďThe PostĒ
ďThe Shape of WaterĒ
ďThree Billboards Outside Ebbing, MissouriĒ

Even with the expanded field of nominees in 2018, not one of those movies will be a movie youíd still be watching more than 20 years later except maybe ďGet Out,Ē but thatís just a mediocre horror movie and they always have fans. Every movie nominee in 1994 still holds up today, and at least three of the five are on my all-time best list.
I haven't seen any of those yet (with the exception of GET OUT, which I liked a lot), but I've heard good things about all of them.

But here is the point you're missing: The Oscars have NOTHING to do with quality. It is a PR stunt, a marketing scheme, and an excuse for a bunch of narcissists with self-esteem issues to get dressed up and pretend they matter for a few hours. Movies win Best Picture because their studio and producers lobbied for it with the Academy. Same thing with Best Director, Best Producer, etc.

LOTS of great movies have been snubbed by the Academy. And quite a bit of dreck has won awards. GLADIATOR as best picture? C'mon. That alone should tell you the whole thing is a joke.

"It's so asinine ... if you look at how many forgettable, stupid movies have won Oscars and how many mediocre performers have Oscars above their fireplace. Making a priority of chasing these fake carrots and money and dubious accolades, I think itís really destructive." (Ethan Hawke)

"I can't stand all that. I find it nauseating to watch and I think it's disgusting to behold. People groveling around and kissing the backsides of famous producers and all that. It makes me want to throw up, it really does. It's sick-making. I've seen it so many times. I saw it fairly recently, last year. Some great producer-mogul and everyone kisses this guy's backside. I think, "What are they doing? Don't they have any self respect?" I wanted to say, "**** off." (Sir Anthony Hopkins)

ďThe Academy Awards were basically created by the industry to promote pictures. They werenít really to acknowledge the performances. Then it became sort of this a great popularity contest and now, itís an incredible show and itís seen all over the world. But the strain on us to put ourselves up against other people to think that itís some sort of a contest -- and it isnít a contest -- weíre all in this together.Ē (James Cromwell)

"There are two things that bother me about them. They're political and bought and negotiated for, and the whole concept of awards is silly. I cannot abide by the judgment of other people, because if you accept them when they say you deserve an award, then you have to accept them when they say you don't." (Woody Allen)

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Old 04-25-2018, 02:20 PM
 
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That's too much homework!




All good to great movies, yes.




I haven't seen any of those yet (with the exception of GET OUT, which I liked a lot), but I've heard good things about all of them.

But here is the point you're missing: The Oscars have NOTHING to do with quality. It is a PR stunt, a marketing scheme, and an excuse for a bunch of narcissists with self-esteem issues to get dressed up and pretend they matter for a few hours. Movies win Best Picture because their studio and producers lobbied for it with the Academy. Same thing with Best Director, Best Producer, etc.

LOTS of great movies have been snubbed by the Academy. And quite a bit of dreck has won awards. GLADIATOR as best picture? C'mon. That alone should tell you the whole thing is a joke.

"It's so asinine ... if you look at how many forgettable, stupid movies have won Oscars and how many mediocre performers have Oscars above their fireplace. Making a priority of chasing these fake carrots and money and dubious accolades, I think itís really destructive." (Ethan Hawke)

"I can't stand all that. I find it nauseating to watch and I think it's disgusting to behold. People groveling around and kissing the backsides of famous producers and all that. It makes me want to throw up, it really does. It's sick-making. I've seen it so many times. I saw it fairly recently, last year. Some great producer-mogul and everyone kisses this guy's backside. I think, "What are they doing? Don't they have any self respect?" I wanted to say, "**** off." (Sir Anthony Hopkins)

ďThe Academy Awards were basically created by the industry to promote pictures. They werenít really to acknowledge the performances. Then it became sort of this a great popularity contest and now, itís an incredible show and itís seen all over the world. But the strain on us to put ourselves up against other people to think that itís some sort of a contest -- and it isnít a contest -- weíre all in this together.Ē (James Cromwell)

"There are two things that bother me about them. They're political and bought and negotiated for, and the whole concept of awards is silly. I cannot abide by the judgment of other people, because if you accept them when they say you deserve an award, then you have to accept them when they say you don't." (Woody Allen)
While I agree with everything you said about the Academy Awards, it totally misses my point. My point was that studios were making great movies in the Ď90s, and not so much today. I only mentioned the Oscar nominees comparison because you can really see the difference from then and now.
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Old 04-25-2018, 05:24 PM
 
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While I agree with everything you said about the Academy Awards, it totally misses my point. My point was that studios were making great movies in the Ď90s, and not so much today. I only mentioned the Oscar nominees comparison because you can really see the difference from then and now.
My point is that there just as many mediocre and bad movies made in the 90s as today --- and the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s for that matter.

But I do agree that there aren't a whole lot of good movies being made these days. Why? All the writing and directorial talent is working on television.

The writing on channels like HBO, AMC, FX, ITV, etc. is putting the movies to absolute shame. But TV even has some masterful directing and cinematography happening. Check out Season 2, episode 7 of Better Call Saul. You won't see a movie this year with better direction, camera work, or writing than that episode. It's a masterpiece of filmmaking.

Cable TV fosters creative storytelling. The movies stifle it.
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