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Old 05-16-2018, 11:56 AM
 
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As someone who first picked up comic books in the 60's and is now IN his 60's, it's a great time for Marvel and DC movies! Well, maybe the former more than the latter.
Finally, the technology and special effects have caught up to the stories in quality. No more cheesy The Adventures of Superman or SuperFriends. As stated, there are 10 movies showing at my local theater, only one is a Super Hero film. If you're a producer, think how much more money can be made with an Iron Man movie vs another adaption of Churchill. Don't see too many Churchill action figures or lunch pails being marketed.
Well, also certain genres of movie are like amusement park rides. They give people a rush that people often repeat many times over.

OTOH, another adaption of Churchill may be a very good movie (Darkest Hour) that many people will want to see...but if it's not a thrill ride, these days more people will wait to see it at home.

These movies have, if anything, invigorated the theater concept while cable/internet gives a much wider venue for more important, smaller productions that need not be tied to a 120-minute format.

For instance, speaking of Churchill, I've thoroughly enjoyed Netflix' "The Crown"--a production that could not be done for the theater realistically.
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Old 05-16-2018, 12:23 PM
 
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For instance, speaking of Churchill, I've thoroughly enjoyed Netflix' "The Crown"--a production that could not be done for the theater realistically.
I agree, maybe those type of productions are made for on line services. Although I might shell out a few bucks for a Downton Abbey lunch box.
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Old 05-16-2018, 06:15 PM
 
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'Superhero' movies suffer from a fatal flaw, for ME, namely the word is an oxymoron.
Anyone who has special superpowers that enable them to do super-human things, cannot really be a HERO.
To be a real hero, you must be human, be flawed, be afraid,..and do the very hardest things imaginable despite it.
THAT is heroic.

So, barring an especially original plot with complex human character interactions, most such flicks lose the power to hold attention. The number of cuts in the editing approaches the level more appropriate for a teenager with raging ADD. Even exceptional visuals are always suspected of being computer generated, rightly so or not.

Mazel Tov if you enjoy them. Me? Only rarely so.
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Old 05-16-2018, 07:04 PM
 
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'Superhero' movies suffer from a fatal flaw, for ME, namely the word is an oxymoron.
Anyone who has special superpowers that enable them to do super-human things, cannot really be a HERO.
4,000 years of human storytelling disagrees with you. Gilgamesh, Odysseus, Hercules, Siegfried, Moses, etc., etc., etc.


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To be a real hero, you must be human, be flawed, be afraid,..and do the very hardest things imaginable despite it.
THAT is heroic.
None of which negates the possibility of super powers as part of a character. It's a facet of the genre that (when it is done well) is filled with metaphor and insight into the character and his or her strengths and weaknesses. Just as one example, the Fantastic Four:

Reed Richards is a man pulled in every direction. He feels responsible for finding a cure for his best friend, trapped in a monster's body --- the cause for which Reed blames himself. As a scientist he is trying to help humanity and defend the world from often otherworldly threats. And he is wracked with guilt because he never seems to be able to spend enough time with his wife and children, who often feel neglected. How far will he stretch before he breaks? And guess what his super power is: The ability to stretch like a rubber man without tearing.

His wife Sue is the heart and conscience of the family. Her love and compassion shield them against the hurts of life, and her counsel brings reconciliation. But in trying to meet everyone else's needs, she often feels invisible and overlooked. And guess what her super power is: The ability to become invisible and form shields.

Her younger brother Johnny is hot-heated, tempermental, impetuous, and often creates problems for himself and the rest of the family. He is the most frequent source of strife in the family. His super power: The ability to burn, flame, fly, and cast fire.

Reed's best friend Benjamin Grimm is strong, loyal, and the one guy you can always count on to have your back. He's gruff and tough and the one guy you want with you in a bar fight. His super power: He has super strength and is covered in an almost-unbreakable rocklike substance from which he can never escape.

So their powers are not only super strengths, but an extension of their personal weaknesses as well.

And if you want to get super mythic, you can also seem them as the Classic Elements: Water, Air, Fire, and Earth.


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So, barring an especially original plot with complex human character interactions, most such flicks lose the power to hold attention.
Which is also true of 80% of dramas, romantic comedies, Westerns, thrillers, horror movies, etc. Most movies of any genre range from mediocre to awful.


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The number of cuts in the editing approaches the level more appropriate for a teenager with raging ADD. Even exceptional visuals are always suspected of being computer generated, rightly so or not.
I'll agree with you on that one. The genre is too reliant on CGI, dumb action scenes, and a tragic lack of inner conflict and character development. BLACK PANTHER is a good recent example. I enjoyed the movie, but it had several missed opportunities where it could have been really moving and insightful and upped the conflict, and instead it went for the easy answer and another action scene.

But again, that's true of many genres. It isn't inherent to the super hero genre.
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Old 05-16-2018, 07:26 PM
 
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'Superhero' movies suffer from a fatal flaw, for ME, namely the word is an oxymoron.
Anyone who has special superpowers that enable them to do super-human things, cannot really be a HERO.
To be a real hero, you must be human, be flawed, be afraid,..and do the very hardest things imaginable despite it.
THAT is heroic.
Batman. The GREATEST comic book superhero of them all. Cheers!
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Old 05-17-2018, 02:12 AM
 
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There is definitely snobbery for Star Wars movies. Folks rip that movie apart, but they'll still watch it in droves.
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Old 05-17-2018, 06:35 AM
 
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There is definitely snobbery for Star Wars movies. Folks rip that movie apart, but they'll still watch it in droves.
Among audiences? No.

Among the elite? Yeah, sure.

Just look at the Oscars that year. ANNIE HALL (the most over-rated movie ever made) won Best Picture over STAR WARS. How many people worldwide attended ANNIE HALL conventions last year?
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Old 05-17-2018, 07:21 AM
 
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Among audiences? No.

Among the elite? Yeah, sure.

Just look at the Oscars that year. ANNIE HALL (the most over-rated movie ever made) won Best Picture over STAR WARS. How many people worldwide attended ANNIE HALL conventions last year?

Just like Ghandi beating out E.T.
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Old 05-17-2018, 08:31 AM
 
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Among audiences? No.

Among the elite? Yeah, sure.

Just look at the Oscars that year. ANNIE HALL (the most over-rated movie ever made) won Best Picture over STAR WARS. How many people worldwide attended ANNIE HALL conventions last year?
Actually, there is one funny interchange from Annie Hall that I still think is great.

It was the split-screen of Annie Hall and Alvy Singer each seeing their respective therapists.

Singer's Therapist: "How often do you have sex?"
Singer: "Hardly ever. Two or three times a week."

Hall's Therapist: "How often do you have sex?"
Hall: "All the time. Two or three times a week."

Otherwise. Nope, haven't bothered to watch it a second time after all these years.
Star Wars...I stopped counting after 20.
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Old 05-17-2018, 08:32 AM
 
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Among audiences? No.

Among the elite? Yeah, sure.

Just look at the Oscars that year. ANNIE HALL (the most over-rated movie ever made) won Best Picture over STAR WARS. How many people worldwide attended ANNIE HALL conventions last year?
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Just like Ghandi beating out E.T.
And because the Hollywood elite can totally ignore them for movies that are, in fact, actually quite decent (if not eternally memorable), it can't be said that superhero movies have saturated the market.
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