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Old 05-20-2018, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Rutherfordton,NC
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Yes....Wonder Woman has legs.
Better story line helps itís not Watching Batman brood for two hours or Superman act like an idiot
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Old 05-20-2018, 12:00 PM
 
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It was rushed in the sense that they didn’t take the time to interduce characters like Aquaman and Cyborg. Marvel did which is why they are doing better at the box office. IMO, Wonder Woman is still there best hit as long as they don’t screw that up.
At the tenth (as opposed to eleventh) hour, the studio:

1) Wanted a one-film arc, not a two-film arc as initially planned.
2) They wanted a film right at or under two hours, not a 150-160 minute film. That's why most of the scenes feel cramped.
3) They removed gobs of exposition concerning the New Gods, the Mother Boxes, and Darkseid.
4) Footage with Flash, Cyborg and Aquaman was liberally chopped away and/or repurposed (Aquaman).

So, yes, the movie itself feels too short, too compact. But that's what happens when the guys in the suits who call the shots are more concerned with their bonuses. You end up with a movie that's barely better than a Star Wars prequel.
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Old 05-20-2018, 12:10 PM
 
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At the tenth (as opposed to eleventh) hour, the studio:

1) Wanted a one-film arc, not a two-film arc as initially planned.
2) They wanted a film right at or under two hours, not a 150-160 minute film. That's why most of the scenes feel cramped.
3) They removed gobs of exposition concerning the New Gods, the Mother Boxes, and Darkseid.
4) Footage with Flash, Cyborg and Aquaman was liberally chopped away and/or repurposed (Aquaman).

So, yes, the movie itself feels too short, too compact. But that's what happens when the guys in the suits who call the shots are more concerned with their bonuses. You end up with a movie that's barely better than a Star Wars prequel.
Be interesting to see if any of those things are on the extended edition.
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Old 05-20-2018, 12:57 PM
 
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Be interesting to see if any of those things are on the extended edition.
There won't be one. That's the Snyder Cut. We may never get to see it. Watch the first trailer again and look at everything that didn't make it into the movie.
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Old 09-20-2018, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Southern Colorado
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Finally watched Batman vs Superman. The first half moved at a leisurely pace and was very good. The second half felt like a rushed and somewhat confused CGI explosion. I went from "This is nice" to "Oh man, what happened" in fifteen minutes.

DC could do so much with their stable including Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Cyborg, and the Flash. So what are they missing? Almost no team unity. The Marvel team almost has a family like element to it. The DC team had Batman trying to kill Superman. People see and root for teams.
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Old 09-20-2018, 05:13 PM
 
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Finally watched Batman vs Superman. The first half moved at a leisurely pace and was very good. The second half felt like a rushed and somewhat confused CGI explosion. I went from "This is nice" to "Oh man, what happened" in fifteen minutes.
Sounds more like you're describing Justice League, really. BvS breathes a lot more, but the Ultimate Edition is the best way to watch it. The studio is responsible for the theatrical cut.
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Old 09-20-2018, 05:31 PM
 
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Sounds more like you're describing Justice League, really. BvS breathes a lot more, but the Ultimate Edition is the best way to watch it. The studio is responsible for the theatrical cut.
Interesting, just cued it up a couple minutes ago. Looks like it should have done more box office than it did. November a tough month perhaps?
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Old 09-21-2018, 09:22 AM
 
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New theory cooked up. The ending of Superman vs Batman was so repugnant that Justice League took a subsequent hit.

Also - perhaps there is only room for one group of super heroes that functions as a group. The Avengers are tough competition.

On the bright side, there will always be demand for Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman. Unless the scripts are horrible of course.
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Old 09-21-2018, 09:45 AM
 
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New theory cooked up. The ending of Superman vs Batman was so repugnant that Justice League took a subsequent hit.
No, advance reviews sunk it. And yes, the growing awareness that a radically different film under the watch of Joss Whedon helped sink it, too. He even liked a tweet proclaiming Steppenwolf was the worst CBM villain ever. Joss knows his contributions stunk up the joint.

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Also - perhaps there is only room for one group of super heroes that functions as a group. The Avengers are tough competition.
Not really. The X-Men had a good build-up again, but I think the lack of another good villain like Shaw didn't help. The new Sentinels weren't too inspired. But the MCU is laden with lame villains. They finally secured another potent adversary, and they did do something no other franchise is done: thread ten years' worth of films together with an outcome that affects all.
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Old 09-21-2018, 05:53 PM
 
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No, advance reviews sunk it. And yes, the growing awareness that a radically different film under the watch of Joss Whedon helped sink it, too. He even liked a tweet proclaiming Steppenwolf was the worst CBM villain ever. Joss knows his contributions stunk up the joint.



Not really. The X-Men had a good build-up again, but I think the lack of another good villain like Shaw didn't help. The new Sentinels weren't too inspired. But the MCU is laden with lame villains. They finally secured another potent adversary, and they did do something no other franchise is done: thread ten years' worth of films together with an outcome that affects all.
Wondering if DC marketers are idiots. Consider the poster: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/justice_league_2017

Featuring Flash, Cyborg and Aquaman. Where is Super Man? Easily one of their top 3 most bankable stars.

People often fail to analyze things. They glance at the poster and think "Replacement Batman, a hot chick and some funny looking dudes."

Studied marketing, leaving out Superman was just dumb. If they screwed up the poster, what else are they likely to screw up? Now there is talk of losing Cavill? Arguably the most authentic Superman of them all. What did they do? Forget to pay him last time?

On the other hand, their pick for Wonder Woman was genius. Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn sometimes?
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