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Old 06-06-2018, 12:53 PM
 
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99% of the general movie-going public doesn't care.

Lucasfilm needs to wake up. If they are making a Boba Fett movie, then they are making a movie for die-hard fans, because the die-hard fans are the only ones who give a flying Fett. If they want to make a movie that appeals to general audiences, then a Boba Fett origin story is just about the dumbest thing they could do.
That, and they've been alienating their die-hard fans with this whole "The Force is Female" and "We Need Less White Men In Star Wars" stuff.


I'm not even white, but ugh, the agendas they're pushing in these movies are really annoying and off-putting. I'm not sure who they're trying to even market to anymore.
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Old 06-06-2018, 02:28 PM
 
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That, and they've been alienating their die-hard fans with this whole "The Force is Female" and "We Need Less White Men In Star Wars" stuff.


I'm not even white, but ugh, the agendas they're pushing in these movies are really annoying and off-putting. I'm not sure who they're trying to even market to anymore.
I'm not white either, but I see the agenda clearly in TLJ.

Same thing I kvetched about with A Wrinkle in Time.
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Old 06-06-2018, 03:36 PM
 
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I'm not white either, but I see the agenda clearly in TLJ.

Same thing I kvetched about with A Wrinkle in Time.
I am whiter than John Tesh and Jim Gaffigan put together, and I don't mind in the least that there are strong female, black, and Asian characters in STAR WARS. I grew up adoring Sarah Connor and Ellen Ripley, so I'm not the least bit bothered by Rey being the hero of the new trilogy.

But the SJW preaching of TLJ was pretty thick and ineptly done. If you want to make your heroines strong and smart (which is good!), you don't do it by making your heroes blithering idiots (which is bad). And you don't try to show how smart your good guys are by making the villains utter morons. It's bad storytelling.
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Old 06-06-2018, 05:19 PM
 
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I am whiter than John Tesh and Jim Gaffigan put together, and I don't mind in the least that there are strong female, black, and Asian characters in STAR WARS. I grew up adoring Sarah Connor and Ellen Ripley, so I'm not the least bit bothered by Rey being the hero of the new trilogy.

But the SJW preaching of TLJ was pretty thick and ineptly done. If you want to make your heroines strong and smart (which is good!), you don't do it by making your heroes blithering idiots (which is bad). And you don't try to show how smart your good guys are by making the villains utter morons. It's bad storytelling.
Exactly right.

And it's not as if it hasn't been done right in the Star Wars universe before. Princess Leia in A New Hope was as good as Connor and Ripley (she was the badass, Luke was kind of whiney). They only needed some more of that.

And of course, Clone Wars and Rebels did it really well, with strong female protagonists and antagonists...yet with males just as strong on both sides. There were women little roughhousing girls could pretend to be and men little roughousing boys could pretend to be.

TLJ and A Wrinkle in Time share the same problem as most Christian movies: The intention to push the ideology overrides telling a good story. And the case of both those movies, it's all the more excruciating for fans because they screwed up already good stories that already contained the message they wanted to convey.
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Old 06-07-2018, 12:12 PM
 
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Exactly right.

And it's not as if it hasn't been done right in the Star Wars universe before. Princess Leia in A New Hope was as good as Connor and Ripley (she was the badass, Luke was kind of whiney). They only needed some more of that.

And of course, Clone Wars and Rebels did it really well, with strong female protagonists and antagonists...yet with males just as strong on both sides. There were women little roughhousing girls could pretend to be and men little roughousing boys could pretend to be.

TLJ and A Wrinkle in Time share the same problem as most Christian movies: The intention to push the ideology overrides telling a good story. And the case of both those movies, it's all the more excruciating for fans because they screwed up already good stories that already contained the message they wanted to convey.

Yep, you and Mark are right. It's just too much on the nose and right there. The Original Star Wars basically gave us the story of a strong woman leading a Rebellion against a big evil controlling Empire. That was it. There wasn't any "You're a guy! Sit down! Go over there!" and when they did (Leia and Han) , it was more in the sense of flirting than it was "I'm a woman! obey me! know your place!". They had diversity in all of the OT without them telling us "YOU SEE LANDO! THAT THERE IS A BLACK MAN! SEE! DIVERSITY!"


The original movies also didn't have 5 minute dialogues about space dogs not being free and being rich is bad. It took me right out of the movie and brought me into real life...but it wasn't even subtle. The PETA logo might as well appeared when Rose and Finn had that convo on the casino planet, it just unneeded.


It's just the preachy tone that they're trying to send to their audience that just doesn't work in these movies.
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