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Old 06-05-2018, 05:18 PM
 
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Yeah that's true, it's just a matter of taste for sure. I watched the Happy Birthday video and I didn't think it was that bad. Sure she sings it in a flirtatious way, but I didn't think she was aiming some sort of spite towards Jackie necessarily. I thought she was probably doing it for the cameras, more than for JFK specifically.
You insist on "thinking" it wasn't for jfk or that the affair is a rumor despite the fact that there are dozens of witnesses who have corroborated it. They had an affair, the singing was embarrassing to the president and mostly Jackie. The end.
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Old 06-05-2018, 05:46 PM
 
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This thread just keeps making me laugh. I just think it’s so funny that you say she played a bimbo how can anyone find her attractive unless they are thinking of her out in the real world. ����������

Do you even see how absurd this thread is?
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Old 06-05-2018, 06:19 PM
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I thought that JFK did not know she was in the cake and it was a surprise, and therefore, it's not his fault perhaps?? That is if he didn't have an affair. I mean all she did was come out of a cake and sing happy birthday for crying out loud, and people jump to extra marital affair conclusions.

Mansfield is another actress who I couldn't tell why guys thought she was so attractive, as her acting was just as bad as Munroe's. In fact her daugther, Marishka Hargitay is much more attractive in her acting, yet she is not considered near as much of a sex symbol as her Mom. Why is that?
Both Monroe and Mansfield died young and tragically, so that adds to their legends. If they had gotten old and fat like Liz Taylor, they probably would not have as much mystique.
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Old 06-05-2018, 06:22 PM
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Steve Buscemi and Christopher Walken pretty much ARE as strange as the characters they portray. Bogart was acting roles (he and Bacall were not always "nice" people IRL).

I remember the broadcast of that "Happy Birthday" she did, and being sooo embarrassed for Jackie. Talk about a turd in a punchbowl moment.

Appearance-wise, Monroe's eyes were farther apart than normal, which gave an appearance of innocence that she played up. Some guys go gaga over that trait.
I never heard that. Ha.

Steve Buscemi wins prizes with me for going back to his old firehouse, suiting up, and spending time on the smoking WTC pile searching for the remains of the dead without calling any attention to himself.
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Old 06-05-2018, 06:55 PM
 
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We weren't talking about an international audience, though. I doubt that Michael Jordan is as well known as Joltin' Joe was, even for people who knew little about baseball and the World Series. I don't even know who those other two are.

And Monroe broke his heart.
The OP is not an American thus probably doesn't understand the relative fame of a baseball Hall of Fame player in the 50's before American football and basketball players started to pass them by in US public acknowledgement. Joe DiMaggio probably means little.

Formula 1 racers and World Cup footballers with heavyweight boxers also less famous now than in the 50's are the closest equivalent that I can think of in sports fame around the world.
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Old 06-05-2018, 07:07 PM
 
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Both Monroe and Mansfield died young and tragically, so that adds to their legends. If they had gotten old and fat like Liz Taylor, they probably would not have as much mystique.
The deal is, Monroe and Mansfield were enormously popular when they were alive and healthy, and it seems that this what the OP is wondering about, somehow. To me both have a mystique.

But I DO have to say. It's amazing to me that these women (second time I'm posting it in this thread) were considered attractive, even back in the day.

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...BGBKkQ9QEILTAA

This woman, an iconic pic of the dust bowl/depression poverty and filth and despair is prettier than any of the "bathing beauties" in the above link. Not even a contest.

https://www.google.com/search?q=icon...NZDut5O-sLK4M:
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Old 06-05-2018, 07:26 PM
 
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I don't mean to be insulting towards her as I am sure she was a very attractive woman for her time, and the majority seem to agree, but so far I have seen her in two movies. Gentlemen Prefer Blonds, and Some Like it Hot.

In those movies though, she acts very similar in both, and she plays a total bimbo, and plays the bimbo persona to a hilt. I think it takes away whatever attractiveness she has, unless of course people are going by how she was in real life, but you think that the characters she played would have some sort of an effect on how people viewed her attraction wise. But what do you think? I am seeing her the wrong way?
Interesting question. I think that you're applying your 21st century perspective, and imagining that her bimbo-ness was considered off-putting at the time. I'm sure that for some men it was a big plus.

I'm not crazy about her, but I can see the appeal.
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Old 06-05-2018, 07:50 PM
 
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With the exception of perhaps Rita Hayworth, the other women were not presented in the same blonde bombshell category as Monroe.
Agreed. The studio system meant that actors had little choice about their roles. They also made a lot of movies in a short time. Joan Crawford is from an older time. Very different from Kim Novak's era. There's no comparison. Also, many of these ladies fought very, very nasty battles with the studio heads to get good roles.

Even though, Monroe was all messed up by the time The Mistfits was being made and she drove everyone crazy with her tardiness, I really enjoyed watching her in that film.
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Old 06-05-2018, 07:57 PM
 
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I never heard that. Ha.

Steve Buscemi wins prizes with me for going back to his old firehouse, suiting up, and spending time on the smoking WTC pile searching for the remains of the dead without calling any attention to himself.
Steve is a local boy. He comes back to the old neighborhood once in a while. I know people who went to school with him. Most describe him as down to earth and not weird at all.
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Old 06-05-2018, 08:21 PM
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^Good info, but funny how we went from Marilyn Monroe to Steve Buscemi, lol.
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