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Old 06-13-2018, 08:03 PM
 
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Honestly, the Disney Empire is getting too big. I hope the attempted buyout of much of the Fox Empire doesn't get approved by the USDOJ.
In light of AT&T buying Time Warner, it is unlikely that the federal government will attack this case. Besides Disney will have to deal with COMCAST who is going to make an aggressive counter-offer.
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Old 06-14-2018, 08:05 AM
 
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I'm going to say something about that which might be provocative.

There is a substantive difference between the Civil Rights agenda of that time (and, I think, similarly to the LGBTQ agenda) that is substantively different from the current feminist agenda that we can see in some media.

We wanted our seat at the table, our piece of the pie. But we believed the table and the pie were big enough for everyone. So we were happy with Black Panther--we didn't need a black Captain America. We liked Luke Cage--we didn't need a black Spider Man. Let the white guys stay white, just let black superheroes have a chance to become just as popular.

It seems as though current feminists think it's a zero-sum game. In order for them to win, men must lose. So we see examples like A Wrinkle in Time and The Last Jedi in which men must be emasculated for women to be strong.

Not everything is playing that game--the Marvel movies aren't playing it (although Marvel comics have been), and the Disney Star Wars animated series have not been playing that game.
I agree with this. They pushed this more to try to be preachey than to tell a good story.


ex. Putting the "woman putting a man in her place" plot in TLJ, which....actually made that aspect of the movie make no sense at the expense of trying to teach a lesson.


It's just as bad as them saying we need a black James Bond or that Janae Monelle (a black female) should be the new Willy Wonka.....it's just like...why?
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Old 06-14-2018, 08:15 AM
 
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It's just as bad as them saying we need a black James Bond or that Janae Monelle (a black female) should be the new Willy Wonka.....it's just like...why?
Sure, sooner or later the UK needs to have a Prime Minister of color. But James Bond isn't a political office.
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Old 06-14-2018, 08:32 AM
 
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It's just as bad as them saying we need a black James Bond or that Janae Monelle (a black female) should be the new Willy Wonka.....it's just like...why?
Janelle Monae. And why not?
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Old 06-15-2018, 06:21 PM
 
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I agree with this. They pushed this more to try to be preachey than to tell a good story.


ex. Putting the "woman putting a man in her place" plot in TLJ, which....actually made that aspect of the movie make no sense at the expense of trying to teach a lesson.


It's just as bad as them saying we need a black James Bond or that Janae Monelle (a black female) should be the new Willy Wonka.....it's just like...why?
Instead of viewing everything as a SJW agenda, consider that roles are opening up to all types of actors. Actors of color weren't even given the opportunity to be considered for certain roles from a long time ago.

These are all fictional characters. So what if Willy Winka was played by Janelle Monet? I don't listen to her music, but she seems to be somewhat quirky. What would be fundamentally different? She can't show children around a candy factory?
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Old 06-15-2018, 07:54 PM
 
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Instead of viewing everything as a SJW agenda, consider that roles are opening up to all types of actors. Actors of color weren't even given the opportunity to be considered for certain roles from a long time ago.

These are all fictional characters. So what if Willy Winka was played by Janelle Monet? I don't listen to her music, but she seems to be somewhat quirky. What would be fundamentally different? She can't show children around a candy factory?
The thing is, she shouldn't be Willy Wonka. She should be a quirky character that becomes as popular as Willy Wonka. That's the thing SJWs don't seem to figure out.

Back in the CRA, we didn't want a black Captain America or a black Spiderman. We wanted Black Panther and Luke Cage to be as popular as Captain America and Spiderman. That's because we knew we would not have "arrived" if we just put on a white man's costume. "Arriving" was only valid wearing a black man's costume.

Even now, Wonder Woman is still the most valid woman superhero, because she has made it in her own skin, not by putting on a man's skin.
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Old 06-15-2018, 08:26 PM
 
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The thing is, she shouldn't be Willy Wonka. She should be a quirky character that becomes as popular as Willy Wonka. That's the thing SJWs don't seem to figure out.

Why shouldn't she be Willy Wonka? Stories have been reinterpreted and reimagined since the beginning of time. Why should Wonka be any different?
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Old 06-15-2018, 08:29 PM
 
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Why shouldn't she be Willy Wonka? Stories have been reinterpreted and reimagined since the beginning of time. Why should Wonka be any different?
Because that would be always walking behind a white man instead of walking beside--or ahead--on her own path.
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Old 06-16-2018, 08:23 AM
 
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Because that would be always walking behind a white man instead of walking beside--or ahead--on her own path.

"Always"? Like she can't take on other roles? She has definitely already taken her own path. There's absolutely no reason that she can't participate in a reimagination of a role without it diminishing her at all.
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Old 06-16-2018, 09:07 AM
 
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The thing is, she shouldn't be Willy Wonka. She should be a quirky character that becomes as popular as Willy Wonka. That's the thing SJWs don't seem to figure out.

Back in the CRA, we didn't want a black Captain America or a black Spiderman. We wanted Black Panther and Luke Cage to be as popular as Captain America and Spiderman. That's because we knew we would not have "arrived" if we just put on a white man's costume. "Arriving" was only valid wearing a black man's costume.

Even now, Wonder Woman is still the most valid woman superhero, because she has made it in her own skin, not by putting on a man's skin.
Yourt examples don't line up. Both of your examples are tied to specific communities. Luke Cage to Harlem and Black Panther to Wakanda. One would generally expect to see black actors in those roles. By the way, in the comics, a woman becomes the Black Panther as it's a job title.

What are Captain America, Spiderman, or Willy Wonka tied to? An American can look like all types of people. For Spiderman, anyone can get bitten by a spider. Anyone can own a chocolate factory.

Contrast that to Ghost in the Shell, where the story is tied to Japan and Japanese people.

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